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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    I heard for Vancouver they paid everything but his hairdresser. But for Sochi she is also included in the contract.
    A mullet specialist is hard to come by these days and Plush needs to make sure to return his/her service.

    Maybe his power comes from his hair? So important to keep it in perfect enpowering shape.

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    Just got my brand new USFSA 2011-2012 195 page Media Guide. Hmmmmm....where's Evan? Not in the big color section that has full pages of each man with pictures, records, facts, etc....there's a very nice full page picture of MK on page 101.....flip flip flip...wait a minute...on page 193, in an ad for NBC Sports.... yes! There is a one half inch by one half inch pic of Evan! Seemed like my media guide was a bit late this year...wonder if they did some last minute editing?

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    Both Evan and Zhenya are just playing the game, same as Joubert, which has been played since Sonja Henie's time.

    Seriously, read up on history.

    If all goes well, you'll see them both in Sochi.

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    One word to Evan a great champion and that is 'BOOOOOO' and not in the scary sense, lol.

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    What hasn't yet been heard is the huge sigh of relief coming from about 7 or 8 men who HAVE been dedicated to having their sights set on making that podium, and ideally grabbing one of those few (2 for Worlds, 3? for Four Continents?) post Nationals International spots. Hopefully, Evan's absence will become a non-story by the time Nationals rolls around. To bring attention to it (listening? NBC?) is a disservice to the sport, to the other athletes, and to anyone who is supporting the future and possible growth of the sport in the US. Focus and feature on the present and future NBC!!! Don't give Scott Hamilton air time to bemoan Evan's absence. water under the bridge. MOVE ON! Only 2 years until Sochi. Build the foundation for the many talented men in the US starting NOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteChris View Post
    Just got my brand new USFSA 2011-2012 195 page Media Guide. Hmmmmm....where's Evan? Not in the big color section that has full pages of each man with pictures, records, facts, etc....there's a very nice full page picture of MK on page 101.....flip flip flip...wait a minute...on page 193, in an ad for NBC Sports.... yes! There is a one half inch by one half inch pic of Evan! Seemed like my media guide was a bit late this year...wonder if they did some last minute editing?
    Interesting, Chris! Half inch by half inch, eh? That tells quite a story.

    I am glad, though, to hear that there's such a large picture of Michelle. She deserves to retain a prominent spot in the annals of American skating.

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    If Evan is playing a game, then a big part of that game would be getting as many men on the world team as possible, wouldnt it? So THEY can get as many men on the world team that would determine how many US guys go to Sochi.
    He is not doing that and could have shot himself in the foot, just as Rach maybe shot herself in the foot by not pulling at last worlds and letting Mirai have a chance at getting us three spots. If Rach comes in third at Nats, then she will have cut her own throat. If Evan L. comes back after two years off and skates at world class podium level, he would be one of the greatest skaters ever....

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    Well, what exactly do they pay skaters past or present to use their image. Excuse me if one covered this already as i did not read every post. MK is quite the business woman so she is getting how much for that big photo? Anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Well, what exactly do they pay skaters past or present to use their image.
    I don't know about photo shoots for publishments, but from those taken in sanctioned competitions the skaters get nothing, AFAIK.

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    I know Evan was a tough competitor. He often came across looking forceful and really lacking in something on the ice. I question his love for the sport.

    I'm mean skaters like Ryan Bradley, Johnny Weir, Matt Savoie, Ryan Jhanke?, Jeremy Abbott, Todd Eldridge and all brought their passion to sport. They were able to draw the audience in to what they doing on the Ice.

    I never saw this from Evan.
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    I'm not sure if anybody would care at all. Evan's chapter has been closed. He won't be a factor in internationla competitions. Since his win at the 2010 Olys, men's discipline has changed significantly. Quad jump has become quite important. Lots of skaters have tried and successfully landed quads in competitions. Chan has three. Nan song was able to win 2 gp medals based on his 3 quads despite dismal pcs. Evan's quadless glory is over. He's never a big star in the U.S. to begin with anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteChris View Post
    If Evan is playing a game, then a big part of that game would be getting as many men on the world team as possible, wouldnt it? So THEY can get as many men on the world team that would determine how many US guys go to Sochi.
    He is not doing that and could have shot himself in the foot, just as Rach maybe shot herself in the foot by not pulling at last worlds and letting Mirai have a chance at getting us three spots. If Rach comes in third at Nats, then she will have cut her own throat. If Evan L. comes back after two years off and skates at world class podium level, he would be one of the greatest skaters ever....

    You misunderstand me, but then again I should have been more clean.

    Let me elucidate:

    As regards all three (aka Plushenko, Lysacek, Joubert), they're saving their best for last, meaning they want to compete at the 2014 Olympics, and in order to do so they need to keep their respective bodies healthy & intact, and that means maintaining injuries and working at their own pace. And most importantly it does not mean competing in extraneous competitions, such as the GPs. No, only Nationals, Euros (for Zhenya & Joubert) and Worlds. That's what I mean when I say they are playing the game. Same as Sonja. After a certain age she no longer competed at her own Nationals, as to save her body for the Big Three (btw same goes for Yuna Kim, who never competed at her Nationals after 2006). Wise, very wise in the long run, especially if one wishes to maintain longevity in such a demanding sport.

    And now I should add that the USFSA is "playing the game" as well (but in a different way), if rumours are to be believed, and I wouldn't doubt them, as the same exact thing went on in Sonja Henie's day. Yep, avarice rears it ugly head. In Sonja's day, the ISF wanted a share of the "appearance fee" money she was getting for skating in exhibitions. And it seems the same thing is being asked of Evan. But who knows? Unlike Sonja, Evan needs to grow a pair of cajones and address the issue head-on.

    Now, I'm bored, and will say toodle-oo, carry on!

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    I'm not an Evan fan at all, but what Nadine said could be true. The USFS could be the greedy one here. They could be putting all sorts of demands on Evan that are excessive. Yes, it's the same demands for every competitive US skater, but unlike them, Evan is in a position where he can say no. He's already won all the medals and gotten all the kudos, and if the USFS wants to shackle him with an overly restrictive contract, why shouldn't he turn it down?

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    I think it is two different issues. One is strategy for longevity that made Plushenko in the 2005-6 season and 2009-2010 season do one GP, nationals, Euros and then Olympics. He talked about coming back in for 2008 worlds and 2009 worlds but did not. I am not sure if he ever went to the extend of Lysacek and said he will be at CoR in 2007 or 2008. I don't think he did, The other thing is the federation involvement which is all secret and everything is rumor. Skating is losing money in the US and everyone knows it and it could be that because the USFSA gave Lysacek money they want to use him to get more money. This could play out until 2013. But I think Sasha Cohen and Plushenko showed that really need at least two seasons of active skating to get the groove of where skating is and do your best.

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    Whta kind of game is Joubert playing? He hasnt missed a season in a loooong carreer already.
    And now he is injure and skipped the gps.

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