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Oh my gosh, it makes me so happy! It's so nostalgic but so wind-swept!
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I'm not a fan of Bobrova and Soloviev, but I really disagree with your comment. Who said all dance programs need to be "charming" or feature a girl in a pretty (read: Disney princess?) dress? Meh. At least B/S are trying to do something different and find their own style. Maybe they'll eventually be successful in this effort.
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I didn't say all programs need to be charming. See my next comment where I pointed B/S to W/P's excellent program. But Bobrova's costume is hideous and doesn't go with the music. The theme of the music may be Walpurgisnacht but the music itself is very pretty for the most part - hardly scary to modern audiences.
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Congrats to the medalists. D/W love this program, imo they were spot on in all of the elements, well deserved first place.
W/P were just fabulous the passion was just oozing and they have such great chemistry. I also liked B/S thought they skated very well indeed.
I really enjoyed the skating of the top three.
W/P were just fabulous the passion was just oozing and they have such great chemistry. I also liked B/S thought they skated very well indeed.
I really enjoyed the skating of the top three.
The British Eurosport guys have proven to be curious in their commentary recently. While they certainly are appealing in that they don't generally exhibit bias, they have really been off at certain competitions in terms of predicting who will score well. They seem to be governed by anything from personal preference for particular styles, status/standing, or even by a less than solid understanding of the current rules. That does not mean they don't know skating. Obviously they do. But, like Scott Hamilton, they seem to judge it at times based on no longer used standards.
They favored D/W over V/M at the Olympics in both the OD and FD.
They reversed themselves at 2010 Worlds.
The favored V/M in the FD at 2011 Worlds.
Now they apparently favored W/P
over D/W??? I can only imagine that they preferred the dramatic concept to traditional ballroom on ice. Considering the era in which they competed, that's somewhat understandable I suppose.
They favored D/W over V/M at the Olympics in both the OD and FD.
They reversed themselves at 2010 Worlds.
The favored V/M in the FD at 2011 Worlds.
Now they apparently favored W/P
over D/W??? I can only imagine that they preferred the dramatic concept to traditional ballroom on ice. Considering the era in which they competed, that's somewhat understandable I suppose.The British Eurosport guys have proven to be curious in their commentary recently. While they certainly are appealing in that they don't generally exhibit bias, they have really been off at certain competitions in terms of predicting who will score well. They seem to be governed by anything from personal preference for particular styles, status/standing, or even by a less than solid understanding of the current rules. That does not mean they don't know skating. Obviously they do. But, like Scott Hamilton, they seem to judge it at times based on no longer used standards.
They favored D/W over V/M at the Olympics in both the OD and FD.
They reversed themselves at 2010 Worlds.
The favored V/M in the FD at 2011 Worlds.
Now they apparently favored W/P
They thought Crone/Poirier could win gold over Davis/White back at Skate Canada 2008 as well. Biggest
ever for me. I love the Brits' commentary, but they go completely off the rails with their predictions sometimes.
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It's Nicky Slater, after all. There are three of them, Nicky, Chris & Simon. Simon is the talking head.
Nicky was a great dancer in his day but has the strange opinions, sometimes, and they get involved with whether their coach was coached by his mother Joan Slater, or even whether their coach's coach was coached by his mother. If there is a Joan Slater connection, Nicky is there.
Nicky was a great dancer in his day but has the strange opinions, sometimes, and they get involved with whether their coach was coached by his mother Joan Slater, or even whether their coach's coach was coached by his mother. If there is a Joan Slater connection, Nicky is there.
It's really difficulty IMO to judge speed and quality of edge work by just watching on TV, which is what the Brits were doing. Plus I don't think they are up-to-date on all the new tech requirements, especially on the SD. When I am at an event, I try to sit with one of the ISU judges or tech specialists, (not judging the event) especially in dance, so I can continue to learn what the judges look for in the dancer's progams. I do know that this year the judges in general are rewarding fun or happy programs greater in PCS, rather than high drama, which is why almost all of S&Z's programs this year are not high drama.
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highest FD score of the season. by 2 points. Seems D/W have a slight edge in the FD and V/M have a better SD. And that's the way it usually seems to pan out. Worlds is going to be a nailbitter. Neither one of them can be anything less than perfect.
Or they could be trying to save their own bacon after what happened in the SD knowing that the referee will likely be asking some tough questions in the judges' meeting - so they can claim they in fact did take deductions on PCS during the SD.
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The British Eurosport guys have proven to be curious in their commentary recently. While they certainly are appealing in that they don't generally exhibit bias, they have really been off at certain competitions in terms of predicting who will score well. They seem to be governed by anything from personal preference for particular styles, status/standing, or even by a less than solid understanding of the current rules. That does not mean they don't know skating. Obviously they do. But, like Scott Hamilton, they seem to judge it at times based on no longer used standards.
They favored D/W over V/M at the Olympics in both the OD and FD.
They reversed themselves at 2010 Worlds.
The favored V/M in the FD at 2011 Worlds.
Now they apparently favored W/P
At Worlds 2010, they thought D/W deserved to win - when the scores came up indicating that V/M had won overall, they thought it was controversial.
They favoured B/S over W/P in the OD (it's gonna be close but probably not beat the Russians).
Those scores for D/W are so over-the-top all I can do is laugh. They imply we've just witnessed something out of this world, one of the all time great dances. That was certainly not on show here, it wasn't awful but nothing spectacular either. I'm really hating this favoritism of "uplifting" dances. I feel no emotional connection to them. It's turning me off ice dancing.
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Could someone help me understand the almost 20 points difference (95.14 vs. 76.90) between B/S & R/T? 
I admit that I am a non-tech person, so I do not know the intricate technical analysis that go into come up with the total scores.
We have discussed endlessly just how "horrid" Bobrova's posture is, and it is horrid! Too bad bad posture does not count for anything. Both teams also excecute ugly looking lifts rather badly. Soloviev's twizzles are usually a trainreck waiting to happen, and in this particular twizzle sequence, both Bobrova and Soloviev basically "spinned" rather than twizzled the reverse twizzle portion. Bobrova also tripped several occassions. Yet they managed to receive 8.57 average skating skills for example, which is higher than W/P, who received 8.21 SS. (For the comparision, R/T's SS is 7.04.) Those are just once example, but do these teams really have close to 20 point worth difference?
I would really appreciate it if someone enlighten me. Thanks.
FYI: I'm not a Russian dancing team hater - on the contrary, I'm quite fond of several Russian teams, including R/T, I/K, etc.
Editing - correcting my misspellings.
I admit that I am a non-tech person, so I do not know the intricate technical analysis that go into come up with the total scores.We have discussed endlessly just how "horrid" Bobrova's posture is, and it is horrid! Too bad bad posture does not count for anything. Both teams also excecute ugly looking lifts rather badly. Soloviev's twizzles are usually a trainreck waiting to happen, and in this particular twizzle sequence, both Bobrova and Soloviev basically "spinned" rather than twizzled the reverse twizzle portion. Bobrova also tripped several occassions. Yet they managed to receive 8.57 average skating skills for example, which is higher than W/P, who received 8.21 SS.
(For the comparision, R/T's SS is 7.04.) Those are just once example, but do these teams really have close to 20 point worth difference?I would really appreciate it if someone enlighten me. Thanks.
FYI: I'm not a Russian dancing team hater - on the contrary, I'm quite fond of several Russian teams, including R/T, I/K, etc.
Editing - correcting my misspellings.
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