12-05-2011, 10:40 PM
The truth is not so bad as you might worry.
Originally Posted by doctor2014
I read the original article from the doctor's blog (deleted a few hours after it came public) and the truth is
Hanyu did sprain his right ankle one week before CoR, but the doctor did not advise him stop practicing jumps and skip CoR.
It is sure the doctor accompanied Yuzuru in Russia and treated him there, but it was not because of the sprained ankle.
They had promised to go to Russia together since the begging of this season.
Actually TV news here in Tokyo just told Ms. Abe and Hanyu left for Canada today.
12-06-2011, 12:47 AM
That's a relief.
Originally Posted by gardenernaga
But I also heard his ankle was swollen during the flight to Russia and couldn't practice three or four whole days.
Hope his ankle recover soon and won't affect Nationals...
12-06-2011, 07:41 AM
People need to grow up , get a life and move on
Thank you so much! At first, I'm very worry about him.
Originally Posted by gardenernaga
I hope his injury isn't serious (I mean even doctor doesn't tell him to stop practise jump; but ankle problem itself is horrible!)
Anyone know the cause of his injury?
12-06-2011, 08:02 AM
There are no best Winners forever. There are only best winners that night/day when a championship is held, and it will last till the following championship. I like it when an American wins, but it's not necessary when a better player beats him. I like the Sport more than the Player, and marvel at the winner.
There are no broken bones to prevent a Player from participating if he so chooses to do so, and there is no fan or JUDGE that has has to see him differently.
BEST MAN THAT NIGHT WINS ! ! !
12-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Thank you, gardenernaga, for your clarification. When I went back to check the doctor’s blog, the article was indeed deleted. It should be just my misreading, and I hope Hanyu has fully recovered from his ankle sprain.
Oh, no. You just made me worried again. Can you read Japanese? Today I found this Japanese “toku” website, which is supposed to be a large Japanese forum. I think I’ve read something similar to what you said and Hanyu’s sprain worsened so he could not do quads on Sunday? and what was about “junior jumps”?
Originally Posted by Tommmy
Here are some of the original Japanese posts:
A combination of online translation tools tell me:
“Read the recovery situation of the sprain of the right ankle because at all
If you mention the sprain, if it does not overstrain, it probably have to force in 2 weeks however, it depends and
Sprained 1 week before Cup of Russia, having become swollen at the point in time when he arrived to Russia, he appeared in the tournament, therefore it is,…
As for GPF we want exhausting the best in the range which it is possible.
All Japan is most important”
“Today (Sunday) he has not jumped quad has such rumor
Seal any time of the junior jumps, and only has done skating
There is no good opportunity?”
I’m still going to hope it’s just a rumor and/or the translation tools did lousy jobs. Hanyu had beautiful quads in CoC and summer ice shows. I hope Hanyu, Fernandez, Chan, Brezina, Daisuke (4f!!), and even Jeremy can all show us quads in GPF. Then the competition will become really fun to watch
12-06-2011, 03:59 PM
I feel uneasy about the opportunity cost being incorporated in the design of a scoring system. Firstly, the opportunity cost or the "marginal rate of transformation" (the successful rate at which production of one jump can be redirected into production of the other) is different for every individual. The cost is minimal for one who doesn't have many jumps in his arsenal yet huge for one who can easily produce an alternative. It is unfair to give different penalties to different individuals for the same mistake. Secondly, an opportunity cost is involved for every element (e.g., if one does a combination spin, he uses up the time and chance to do something else) and is not specific or pertinent to a fall.
Originally Posted by wallylutz
The concept of an opportunity cost is best applied to productive efficiency (program design or strategy), but not pricing for each commodity (scoring for each element). It sounds ridiculous when one demands $50 per hour for delivering phone books simply because he is a certified medical practitioner. Similarly, it doesn't make sense when one should be punished more simply because he can easily produce a different type of jump. My point is: An opportunity cost shall have nothing to do with scoring.
Last edited by skatinginbc; 12-06-2011 at 04:27 PM.
12-06-2011, 06:44 PM
Bona Fide Member
I believe that the question of loss of opportunity is somewhat of a red herring in any case.
Loss of opportunity attaches into the decision to try a jump on which you might fall, not to the fall itself.
I think the right question is this. You have already decided, for better or for worse, to try a triple Axel. If you fall, how many fewer points do you get than if you had done the same exact jump but saved the landing?
(a) Fully rotated, satisfactory in every respect, +1 GOE (undeserved, but hey! it's a triple Axel!) 9.5
Same except for a fall at the end. 4.5
(b) Under-rotated, OK otherwise (-1 GOE). 5.0
Same with a fall. 2.0
(c) Downgraded, -2 GOE. 2.3
Same with a fall. 0.8
So...yes, in a close contest this could be the diffrerence between winning and losing.
Still, it seems to me that in the past falls were weighted more heavily. At the 2002 Olympics Michele Kwan fell. Irina Slutskaya teetered and tottered and somehow managed to stay on her feet. Otherwise, Kwan skated OK and Slutskaya was terrible. Slutskaya won (getting 5.9's in presentation from the Russian, Belarussian and Slovakian judges for presentation. )
Ah, the good old days. If Michelle had not fallen Slutskaya's presentation marks would have been lower and Michelle would have won the gold medal. Moral of the story: don't fall.
12-06-2011, 06:47 PM
Bona Fide Member
[Edited to add]: Moral of the CoP: If you fall, make it up in other ways.
12-06-2011, 07:00 PM