Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

Meoima · Oct 31, 2014

treeloving said:
Anyone who are cop expert could tell me to avoid Zayak's rule, what will be Yuzu's option if he triple his second quad toe?

The point is we haven't known for sure about Yuzuru's layout for LP. He might go for 3 quads, but he might go for 2 quads only (according to the summarized article). But anyways, the interview was taken in August so we don't know his success rate of doing 3 quads. He might change his layout completely.

Camillo · Oct 31, 2014

treeloving said:
Anyone who are cop expert could tell me to avoid Zayak's rule, what will be Yuzu's option if he triple his second quad toe?

We don't know his FS yet, but I believe the first half would be the same (4S, 4T, 3F). And in this case, Yuzuru doesn't have to change anything, because with 3T2T or 3T instead of 4T2T he repeats only two triples (3A and 3T).

Approximate FS layouts with 3 quads, second half:
4T2T
3A3T
3A1Lo3S
3Lo
3Lz

or

4T2T
3A3T
3A
3Lz1Lo3S
3Lo

or

4T2T
3A3T
3A2T
3Lo
3Lz

This layout is more dangerous even without 3T instead of 4T.
I'm afraid after 4T2T Yuzuru would be more tired than usual, so he may stumble on the first 3A combo:
3A2T in place of 3A3T - > then he has to jump 3A3T or single 3A, because second 3A2T would be nullified.
3A in place of 3T3T - > then he has to jump any 3A combo or 2A.
Of course, it hits his BV (

Wo|flax · Oct 31, 2014

treeloving said:
Anyone who are cop expert could tell me to avoid Zayak's rule, what will be Yuzu's option if he triple his second quad toe?

He only really has to remember to only do two 2t for combo. Ie 3a2t and 2t on another jump. Thats pretty easy since hes doing loop sal combo.
If he accidently does 3t3t , then he just has to go through rest of program as planned.
Actually last season was more tricky, if he tripled 4t then, and forgot and did 3a3t, he would have had to change last lutz to 2a. Same for 4s if he didnt take out the loopsal combo and to 2t 2t instead. This season is more tricky, if he triples 4s since he cant repeat 2t more than twice to do that. He has to leave out the loop sal combo and do lo combo or a 2t instead(and remembering only two 2ts, ie if he only does 3a2t and 4t2t he has to do 3t (third times the charm?)or 1lo). Or he can leave the combo on the table like artur had to do. He could also replace one 4t or 3a with 2a but thats unlikely

Eta this is assuming he plans 4t3t if he can, then 3a2t or if he cant then 4t2t 3a3t
And assuming he cant 2Lo
Tldr 4s tripling is probably more of a problem than 4 tripling. Doubling 4t he just has to make sure to get a 3t off somewhere.

Esopian · Oct 31, 2014

annca said:
141031 〇っぷく

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x290450_141031-%E3%80%87%E3%81%A3%E3%81%B7%E3%81%8F_sport

cr: yusu01207

Thanks for the link!

FTnoona · Nov 1, 2014

treeloving said:
Anyone who are cop expert could tell me to avoid Zayak's rule, what will be Yuzu's option if he triple his second quad toe?

If we assume that his layout is something like this
4T
4S
3F
4T+2T
3A
3A+3T
3Lz-1L-3S
3Lo

Or some combination of the same jumps listed. Then Hanyu has no problems if he triples any of his planned 4Ts as long as he performs the rest of his program to plan. Since the 4T is what he plans on repeating and he only does 1 3T anyways there is no problem.

Camillo said:
We don't know his FS yet, but I believe the first half would be the same (4S, 4T, 3F). And in this case, Yuzuru doesn't have to change anything, because with 3T2T or 3T instead of 4T2T he repeats only two triples (3A and 3T).

Approximate FS layouts with 3 quads, second half:
4T2T
3A3T
3A1Lo3S
3Lo
3Lz

or

4T2T
3A3T
3A
3Lz1Lo3S
3Lo

Your first two layouts are essentially the same in regards to the Zayak rule and would not change the way the Zayak rule would affect Hanyu's program if he tripled a planned 4T and performed everything else perfectly.
The third layout may occur if Hanyu messes up, but I don't think he would plan that since it omits a 3 jump combo.

4T2T
3A3T
3A2T
3Lo
3Lz

This layout is more dangerous even without 3T instead of 4T.
I'm afraid after 4T2T Yuzuru would be more tired than usual, so he may stumble on the first 3A combo:
3A2T in place of 3A3T - > then he has to jump 3A3T or single 3A, because second 3A2T would be nullified.
3A in place of 3T3T - > then he has to jump any 3A combo or 2A.
Of course, it hits his BV

The Zayak rule with the doubles is similar to the Zayak for the 2A. It's just you can't repeat a set of doubles more than two times and does not affect the 2 set of triples or quads you can repeat. So him doing a 4T+2T and a 3A+2T will not nullify any combo jump as long as he doesn't perform a third 2T.
An example would be Nam's FS protocol from SA.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpusa2014/gpusa2014_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

Nam performed two 3A, two 3F, and two 2T and his 3F-2T combo was not nullified.

3A in place of 3T3T - > then he has to jump any 3A combo or 2A

For this one I assume you mean 3A-3T. Even if his second 3A is not in combo, he would not have to change it to a 2A to avoid getting the jump nullified. He'll just get hit with a sequence penalty, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the 3A with the sequence penalty also ticks off one of his 3 allowed combos.

Interspectator · Nov 1, 2014

I think Hanyu has only Zayaked once in his entire Senior Career. He's very good at mental math.

Meoima · Nov 1, 2014

I assume his layout will be like this:
4T
4S
3F
--
4T2T or 4T3T
3A3T or 3A2T
3A-1lo-3S
3lo
3lz

If he wants to advoid the ! On the 3F, he can try 3S instead.

FTnoona · Nov 1, 2014

Newbiespectator said:
I think Hanyu has only Zayaked once in his entire Senior Career. He's very good at mental math.

Yups! The only time he Zayaked was at CoR 2010 FS in his debut year. I am shocked at how well he sticks to his planned elements and how fast he thinks on his feet. It's like he is a robot

FTnoona · Nov 1, 2014

Meoima said:
I assume his layout will be like this:
4T
4S
3F
--
4T2T or 4T3T
3A3T or 3A2T
3A-1lo-3S
3lo
3lz

If he wants to advoid the ! On the 3F, he can try 3S instead.

If he switch the 3F out for the 3S, he'd have to change his 3 jump combo in x-2T-2L, or if he wants to keep the 3S combo, he'd have to change the repeats on his 4T and 3A right?

Wo|flax · Nov 1, 2014

FTnoona said:
If he switch the 3F out for the 3S, he'd have to change his 3 jump combo in x-2T-2L, or if he wants to keep the 3S combo, he'd have to change the repeats on his 4T and 3A right?

^yeah it'd lower his BV; better to chose Ltz /4t and Axel for repeat never mind the flip
if he wants to take 3F out he'll have to do 2a in first half (like Jason did)

Flip edge call

varies between: )

best case:
unclear: 6.7 or 6.0
e: 3.0

worst case(considering the size of Yuzu's jump, unless the landing is wonky, I don't think they'll give him this):
unclear edge: 3.9 pts
edge call: 1.6pts

double axel: 4.8 assuming +3GOE because Yuzuru

so really it depends on whether they give him e or !; most ppl think he'll get ! I think. anyway he'll probably wait and see
ETA:Mura got 5.8 for his !3F, I thinks their flips are comparable enough; if tech give Yuzu ! then he won't change to 2A

FTnoona · Nov 1, 2014

WoChair said:
^yeah it'd lower his BV; better to chose Ltz /4t and Axel for repeat never mind the flip
if he wants to take 3F out he'll have to do 2a in first half (like Jason did)

Flip edge callvaries between: )

best case:
unclear: 6.7 or 6.0
e: 3.0

worst case(considering the size of Yuzu's jump, unless the landing is wonky, I don't think they'll give him this):
unclear edge: 3.9 pts
edge call: 1.6pts

double axel: 4.8 assuming +3GOE because Yuzuru

so really it depends on whether they give him e or !; most ppl think he'll get ! I think. anyway he'll probably wait and see

Are you giving examples of the points he might get bc I am confused with all the numbers you stated. The base value of a 3f is 5.3 and getting an e call makes it 3.71. Are you factoring in goe with your numbers already? So for best case with an unclear call are you assuming judges give him some +goe still?

HanDomi · Nov 1, 2014

After seeing Javi progress on his SP now I can't wait to see Yuzuru's SP again, only few days left .. :yay:

Wo|flax · Nov 1, 2014

yes GOE factored, and best case = +goe (it's not compulsory to give final negative goe for unclear) [sorry I just copy-pasted from a post I made in a different thread]
Just trying to see whether substituting 3F with 2A would be worth it or not

Camillo · Nov 1, 2014

FTnoona said:
The Zayak rule with the doubles is similar to the Zayak for the 2A. It's just you can't repeat a set of doubles more than two times and does not affect the 2 set of triples or quads you can repeat. So him doing a 4T+2T and a 3A+2T will not nullify any combo jump as long as he doesn't perform a third 2T.

Yes, I know about the new rule of three doubles - that's why I said his second 3A2T will be nullified in this layout:
4T2T
3A2T (failed attempt of planned 3A3T)
3A*2T* (let's imagine he wanted to do 3A3T no matter what but failed)

FTnoona said:
For this one I assume you mean 3A-3T. Even if his second 3A is not in combo, he would not have to change it to a 2A to avoid getting the jump nullified. He'll just get hit with a sequence penalty, and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the 3A with the sequence penalty also ticks off one of his 3 allowed combos.

Like that? 4T2T, 3A, 3A+SEQ, 3Lo, 3Lz. You're right he doesn't need here 2A. Maybe he'll try to add a combo on lutz or loop to avoid seq.penalty (last year Finlandia trophy: 3A, 3A2T, 3Lo2T (added 2T), 3Lz1Lo3S)

Oh well, I hope everything will go as planned during CoC performance :scowl:

FTnoona · Nov 1, 2014

Camillo said:
Yes, I know about the new rule of three doubles - that's why I said his second 3A2T will be nullified in this layout:
4T2T
3A2T (failed attempt of planned 3A3T)
3A*2T* (let's imagine he wanted to do 3A3T no matter what but failed)

Oh sorry about that. For some reason I assumed that he would change his layout a bit, but that completely dismisses the point of him Zayaking while making a mistake and still going on with his planned layout :bang:

So yeah, you're right if he still went for the planned 3A-2T in that layout he would Zayak.

Like that? 4T2T, 3A, 3A+SEQ, 3Lo, 3Lz. You're right he doesn't need here 2A. Maybe he'll try to add a combo on lutz or loop to avoid seq.penalty (last year Finlandia trophy: 3A, 3A2T, 3Lo2T (added 2T), 3Lz1Lo3S)

Oh well, I hope everything will go as planned during CoC performance :scowl:

Yeah that's what I was thinking in the case that he misses his first 3A combo like you said and if he still does a 3A no combo. Because even if he is in this scenario he isn't in danger of Zayaking if he continues with content you suggested in your third layout. However, adding a combo on the lutz or loop will not avoid the seq. penalty on the 3A though but it would get him 3 combos again since he planned the 3A in combo twice.

I don't think we have to worry about Hanyu too much though. This guy only Zayaked once as a senior! He's really fast on his feet and personally, I think it shows he has a good understanding of the system - at least the jumping part of the system :biggrin:

Now if only Hanyu could give some tips to Javi :slink:

HanDomi · Nov 1, 2014

I don't think we have to worry about zayaking from him. I bet he already have prepared any possible scenarios for his layout

Even if he will plan 3 quads for LP and he will feel trough performance that he will be unable to do 3rd quad, he can just go on with rest of jumps as from previous season

msteach3 · Nov 1, 2014

HanDomi said:
I don't think we have to worry about zayaking from him. I bet he already have prepared any possible scenarios for his layout

I think people need to quit worrying entirely until at least we see the program! :laugh:

I have confidence in Yuzu and Orser that they will make the right decisions as they are the experts, right?

treeloving · Nov 1, 2014

Ok so basically, the best case when if he triple the third quad is that he will have the same lay out as last year but repeat 3t instead of 3lz (I assume the third quad is the slot of second luzt in his old lay out).

And even if he miss 3t combo of 3a, I still think it is easier for me to find solution as he will do 3a1l 3s or 3z-1l-3s or the three jump combo.

The 2t zayak rules is so stupid in elite level.

FTnoona · Nov 1, 2014

treeloving said:
Ok so basically, the best case when if he triple the third quad is that he will have the same lay out as last year but repeat 3t instead of 3lz (I assume the third quad is the slot of second luzt in his old lay out).

And even if he miss 3t combo of 3a, I still think it is easier for me to find solution as he will do 3a1l 3s or 3z-1l-3s or the three jump combo.

The 2t zayak rules is so stupid in elite level.

Yup. He doesn't have to worry about Zayaking if he triples the 4T. Like you said, it will be like last year's layout except he does 2 3Ts instead of 2 3Lz.

Wonder if Hanyu is feeling the pressure to deliver now that Machida and Mura won their GP assignments with great skates.

Pamigena · Nov 1, 2014

p. 706-716

alia jackson said:
Hanyu speaking about xylitol white so casual and all ....then CM starts at 0:14

alia jackson said:
The Teeth-Whitening Tooth Fairy

=>

smasma said:
Starting from top left, then go clockwise:
キシリト～ル～: Xylitol~♪
うたう: Sing
おこ: Anger
ドヤ: Smug
しゃらんら～: A kind of spell
ファ～: Weepy sound
なきごえ: Cry

Center:
キシリトールの妖精ユヅル: Xylitol's Fairy Yuzuru

yhmafan said:
Yuzu Rock and Roll!
http://youtu.be/rBtdF3S6za0

Tommmy said:
Nice pic

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qSb1MR1CL.jpg

alia jackson said:
Is this a photo book exhibition in Japan? Loveeeeeely photos

Newbiespectator said:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x28lc2n_スケアメですが-羽生選手部分_sport
Some adorable shots of Machida and Hanyu sightseeing in Moscow from 3:50
It was mentioned that Machida and Hanyu debuted in the grand prix circuit in the same year. I didn't know that.

annca said:
141025織田くんメレンゲ　ドＭとドＳ

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x28liii_141025織田くんメレンゲ-ドｍとドｓ_sport

echotpe said:
(1) The price of Yuzu's photobook is less expensive than others (almost 50%~40% ). Yesterday the photographer answered to audience about pricing strategy in his Exhibition as following:

" As Yuzu has many junior fans, Mrs Hanyu asked to set a lower price so that it is affordable to those young people."

(2) S. Bourne listed on Kanako's coaches in ISU web. What a surprise!
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00009568.htm

annca said:
yuzuru's season biographies (translated from the official stamp collection)

*2007-2008 FS - the firebird
~~vid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tqGkujJGWY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2008-2009 SP - Bolero
~~vid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahTBC5V1iZU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2009-2010 SP - mission: impossible II soundtrack
~~vid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHfufKeAHGs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2008-2010 FS - rhapsody on a theme of paganini
~~vid 2009-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFE8rrLCJtQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
~~vid 2010-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1B71LJXBD8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2008-2010 EX - change
~~vid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZBF3grck5g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2010-2011 SP- white legend
~~vid-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPon1zhlLI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2010-2011 FS - zigeunerweisen
~~vid-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1VT6iqs948&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2010-2011 EX - vertigo
~~vid-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFeOhU99bec&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2011-2012 SP - Etude in D minor, op. 8 no. 12
~~vid- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSihTWuRMw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2011-2012 FS - romeo and juliet soundtrack
~~vid-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0bCvXHtzx4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2011-2012 EX - somebody to love

*2012-2013 SP - parisienne walkways
~~vid-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYkGYMYW69c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2012-2013 FS - notre dame de paris
~~vid-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A2Fk32p_K0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

*2012-2013 EX - hello, i love you

*2013-2014 EX - hana ni nare

CR: @YUZUSTAMP

Newbiespectator said:
Flash back Video clip of Hanyu at SA
http://magicaleggplant.tumblr.com/post/34087806069/misslauraj-yuruzus-curtain-call-ladies

annca said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/BevSmithWrites/status/527193900633829376

from Beverley Smith's twitter;

echotpe said:
Beverley Smith is a sport journalist who wrote the article of "ORSER COMING HOME TO AUTUMN CLASSIC".
http://bevsmithwrites.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/orser-coming-home-to-autumn-classic/

HanDomi said:
I saw gif of Yuzu's 3A-1Lo-3Sal on one of italian forums user:

http://blog-imgs-68.fc2.com/s/a/k/sakurb/3A1Lo3S-4-compressor.gif

darazam said:
Yuzuru at the cover of AERA magazine: http://publications.asahi.com/ecs/detail/?item_id=16429

pandaatlarge said:
I went to the "YUZURU" photo exhibition early this week, it was absolutely fantastic!
This is how the entrance looks like.
Here you get a glimpse of the photos on EX.
Hey, stop looking inside, you won't get to see what's inside unless you get in!
Not a big exhibition space actually

I went there on Monday during working hours, but still there are always more than 20 people in the room (after 6pm when people finish work there are always more than 30 people, I think), most of which are ladies (from school girls to elder ladies) with 2 or 3 men. Besides Yuzuru fans, there were also many general visitors who didn't know about the event but were attracted by the photo outside.

I roughly counted about 50 photos on exhibition, the earliest one being 2007 Japan Jr. Nationals. They are all large, but some are larger than the others, each of which covers a whole board, including Hello I Love You from THE ICE 2012, Ina Bauer during OG practice, White Legend and Finale from TOI, parade in Sendai, and latest off-ice scenes from Toronto, individual and with Brian. You can have a clear look at the details of the costumes, his facial expressions, body movements, etc, so it is really stunning. Noto-san said his favorite shot is the one he took right before Yuzuru went on the ice for the first time after the big earthquake at the charity show in Kobe, I was deeply moved by this photo as well, because I believe I really saw the tears in his eyes even though he was looking up. Really really a wonderful event, thank you Noto-san!

alia jackson said:
That middle photo when he thought that he has lost the gold...I just don't know how to explain my feelings of it.

cruzceleste said:
Have we seem this video? a Yuzuru decorated train https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGPyBlCscXE

Newbiespectator said:
http://www.sankei.com/sports/news/141031/spo1410310017-n1.html

According to this article, Hanyu is going to COC as scheduled and preparation for this competition is going as planned.
Keep your fingers crossed for no sudden injuries from now till then...and for the rest of the season.

annca said:
141031 〇っぷく

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x290450_141031-〇っぷく_sport

cr: yusu01207

alia jackson said:
Love all the "I'm too sexy" photos & wordings in the comments of this post in Yuzu's fans FB

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