Hmmmmmmmm! Very unpolished and immature! Yet Yuzuru ended up 2nd in the Freeskate! I quess the judges aren't seeing what you see!Originally Posted by bestskate8
Hmmmmmmmm! Very unpolished and immature! Yet Yuzuru ended up 2nd in the Freeskate! I quess the judges aren't seeing what you see!
His program was Sensational! Go and read all the post on his You-tube Freeskate video's! So much positive response for Yuzuru! Very surprized with the above posters comments! How could anyone ever call his 3A unpolished and his quad! Frankly for a 17 year old he skates with amazing maturity! I am going to watch his program again too because it just puts a smile on my face.You might have forgotten the word young here.
Between Yuzu and Brian are freakin' 10 years! I don't think Joubert was as polished and mature with 17 as Hanyu is now...
And just by the way - Hanyu is already more musicial. Of course Hanyu as some weaknesses, but I really think his are 'reparable'. He's good all the talent one can hope for...
And I have to admit I'm sick of hearing people say he's immature... his lovely and beautiful coach (sorry, I just love her!:P) did a perfect job on giving him a choreography that matched this. I wouldn't want to see someone like Joubert, even with his polish, skate that FS. It just wouldn't work, Hanyu portrayed it perfectly. With all that un-polish and youthful 'roughness' he has.
I'm going to miss that programm!!
(Actually, I might just go and rewatch it now!)
And P.S.: huge agreement on Yuzu having the best 3A-3T out there! His axel in generel, I'd say, is the best in the business by now
This is an absurd comment! How can you compare some like Joubert and Takahashi who are 25 or 26 years old to a 17 year old kid. Yuzuru is extremely polished and mature for a 17 year old and he is being rewarded for it by the judges. His PCS scores were very close to Joubert's who by the way I really like as a skater.
Damn Yuzuru is a marketer's dream. So many decide to watch his LP again and again after talking about him here. Imagine if he endorsed a product, just the mention of his name and people will flock to the stores to buy the product :D
bestskate8 is the one who predicted that Gachinski would win the Worlds in the “Predictions” thread:
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...ht=#post625678
bestskate8 must be really disappointed right now. I guess that s/he thinks Gachinski is the most mature and polished skater.
News.
YUZU's official site suspended. It expand more contents in the next season and seem to reopen.
He's going to be very popular for sure!!!!! I'm sure he already has an agent!
I'd say the comparison is valid because Hanyu is competing with Takahashi and Joubert. I can see why bestskate8 finds Hanyu unpolished. After watching his videos, I noticed that he looks down a lot in his programs. In the sense that his head isn't completely down but he isn't actually looking up either. It's more noticeable in the second half of his programs, so he may be tired and pushing through. It takes a bit away from his performances. Having these problems is somewhat of a good thing, because it means that we as fans have his improvement to look forward to.
Last edited by FTnoona; 04-20-2012 at 02:22 AM.
Agreed. Hanyu is in the big leagues amongst his peers now.
I agree that Hanyu has posture and strength issues, but I disagree with anyone who says that his performance was over-scored. He got every one of those points tooth and nail. Right now, he is relying on pure spirit to carry him where he comes up short in his ability to breath (asthma) and maintain posture/endurance (strength), but the results are still competitive. He seems to get into some kind of zone. His jumps are amazing and the stuff inbetween is world calibre as well.
Sometimes when we criticize, we focus on only what is wrong, and then we speak in a context that nothing is right.
Hanyu may have some shortfalls he will have to overcome. But even this year, he has showed competition to competition a constant bettering of his ability. My sixth sense tells me that as now we start to compare Hanyu to others, in a few years we will be comparing others to Hanyu.
I have always thought Hanyu's PCS was underscored through out the entire season being the newbie on the scene in a year of really strong mens. Only by the time of the world, it manage to catch up with how it should be based on the merit of the program.
It was a solid build up through the entire season with the content difficulty being upgraded all the time. In someways I still think the PCS is somewhat short maybe having the amazing Daisuke in the same competition from the same country means both their score are somewhat undermarked, in particularly Daisuke against Chan.
The Romeo and Juliet program is perfect to complement his raw, fresh and spirited quality at his age, while some may say not as polished, but I'd argue it is precisely these qualities of risky taking somewhat naive, brave and passionately spirited performance that Hanyu has made this program work.
A 'polished romeo' done by a seasoned skater or maybe himself in 5-10 years time might be more aesthetically appealing, but would be utterly false to the essence and the 'truth' of the program which recalls being the cusp of innocence turned passionate, out of control, darkly wild and imminent death, aspiring for spiritual freedom. The UK Eurosport commentators called this possibly one of the best FS performance of all time, and I am in total agreement with them. It has the marking of a signature program written all over it.
Last edited by os168; 05-01-2012 at 05:55 PM.
Ah, I should put it this way:
I find it unfair to compare the MATURITY and POLISH of Yuzuru to that of Daisuke and Brian. I think maturity and polish comes with experience, which Yuzuru currently lacks because he has only been in seniors for two years, and he's quite young.
If you compare him with someone similar to his age, and with similar senior experience, i.e. Nan Song and Artur Gachinski, that might be a better comparison.
I think it's fair to compare the maturity and polish of Yuzuru to Daisuke and Brian....mostly because Yuzuru is directly competing against Daisuke and Brian. Yuzuru's relative youth gives him the advantage when it comes to jumps, but puts him at a disadvantage with regards to other qualities. That's life.
It's just one more thing Yuzuru has to work on in the future. And given his drive, determination and talent, I am sure he will succeed.
[QUOTE=os168;639002]I have always thought Hanyu's PCS was underscored through out the entire season being the newbie on the scene in a year of really strong mens. Only by the time of the world, it manage to catch up with how it should be based on the merit of the program.
It was a solid build up through the entire season with the content difficulty being upgraded all the time. In someways I still think the PCS is somewhat short maybe having the amazing Daisuke in the same competition from the same country means both their score are somewhat undermarked, in particularly Daisuke against Chan.
The Romeo and Juliet program is perfect to complement his raw, fresh and spirited quality at his age, while some may say not as polished, but I'd argue it is precisely these qualities of risky taking somewhat naive, brave and passionately spirited performance that Hanyu has made this program work.
A 'polished romeo' done by a seasoned skater or maybe himself in 5-10 years time might be more aesthetically appealing, but would be utterly false to the essence and the 'truth' of the program which recalls being the cusp of innocence turned passionate, out of control, darkly wild and imminent death, aspiring for spiritual freedom. The UK Eurosport commentators called this possibly one of the best FS program of all time, and I am in total agreement with them. It has the marking of a signature program written all over it.[/QUOT
This is really well said and a great observation. I really loved the British guys as commentators too! Much better then over here in America!
Hanyu already skates with a maturity and polish that someone like Joubert wishes he had in his career. Joubert mainly jumps but not much else. I give him props for still bringing it at his age but Hanyu has more potential to be a all around skater.
Right on!
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