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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    He is what I found....
    JUMPS
    -Remarks on F/Lz for single skating (page 7) are valid for Pair Skating as well.
    -Jumps with less than 1.5 revs in both Short and Free programs of Seniors/Juniors will have no value.
    -In Short Program jumps which do not satisfy the requirements (wrong number of revs) will have no value.
    Even though the half loop in the middle of this combo http://i.imgur.com/t3VDmjW.gif
    is considered a jump, skaters use it (more like a step) to change onto an inside edge for the salchow. Without it they can't do a 3S at the end of a combination. I noticed last season many of the men used it and my non-skating fan husband always thought it was a mistake. I happen to like it myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shingalas View Post
    Yes, I think no jump below 1.5 revolutions (all singles except the axel) will be scored any points. But it is a jump combination.
    Amendments of communication №1884 scratched off that line. So single jumps are counted. There are protocols of some Canadian competition where you can see that for sure: http://summerskate.mintoskatingclub.com/results.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by shingalas View Post
    Hanyu definitely won't have a 3Lz+3Lo (I don't think he's ever done even a 2Lo combo?), but if he could that would be a valid way to increase his BV without changing the placement of his jumps. Anyway, I'm glad for no 3Lo combos, too many injuries associated with over-practicing loops.
    If I remember correctly he did 3Lo+2T for R&Jv2 in Findlandia. 3A was a solo jump then followed by a 3A+2T and the 3Lo+2T and the last combi 3Lz+1Lo+3S. He changed layout prior to the start of the GP series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darazam View Post
    Amendments of communication №1884 scratched off that line. So single jumps are counted. There are protocols of some Canadian competition where you can see that for sure: http://summerskate.mintoskatingclub.com/results.html
    Ah, yes you're right, Communication no. 1884 (Amendments to Communication no. 1861) does indeed omit that rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by ayarose View Post
    If I remember correctly he did 3Lo+2T for R&Jv2 in Findlandia. 3A was a solo jump then followed by a 3A+2T and the 3Lo+2T and the last combi 3Lz+1Lo+3S. He changed layout prior to the start of the GP series.
    Sorry, I meant with the loop as the second part of the combination. Many guys don't do more than a __+2Lo for their combos (if they even do that at all).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    But using your link I found this.....
    If there are two links at the page I would sure copy wrong one =_= It was link to communication №1861, the one you quoted before.
    Fixed it now, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by shingalas View Post
    Sorry, I meant with the loop as the second part of the combination. Many guys don't do more than a __+2Lo for their combos (if they even do that at all).
    Christopher Caluza can do 3Lo+3Lo and 3Lo-2Lo-2Lo, but he seems to be particulary good in loop jump, he trains 4Lo too (at his instagram video about 3 months ago it still looked UR).

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    Quote Originally Posted by darazam View Post
    Christopher Caluza can do 3Lo+3Lo and 3Lo-2Lo-2Lo, but he seems to be particulary good in loop jump, he trains 4Lo too (at his instagram video about 3 months ago it still looked UR).
    It's 3lo-3lo. He never success that quad.

    Anyways, about Yuzuru, I think the 3A 1lo 3S's BV is still higher that his 3z 1lo 3S last year without even the BV for 1lo (it's just 0.5 point) so with the 3A in place of 3Lutz, it's a huge change. And a good move.

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    I just deleted my posts to avoid confusion. Thanks for info. I missed the ammendment announcement somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayarose View Post
    If I remember correctly he did 3Lo+2T for R&Jv2 in Findlandia. 3A was a solo jump then followed by a 3A+2T and the 3Lo+2T and the last combi 3Lz+1Lo+3S. He changed layout prior to the start of the GP series.
    I think that was just because he messed up the 3A(hand down) at Finlandia? There was no changing layout, it's the same layout as season before except for the added-L-3S and the moved 4S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoChair View Post
    I think that was just because he messed up the 3A(hand down) at Finlandia? There was no changing layout, it's the same layout as season before except for the added-L-3S and the moved 4S.
    That could be true, but it could also be the original layout but then they decided 3A+x would be better/stable. My memory is kinda selective at times. Did the press con clips said that was the layout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    It's 3lo-3lo. He never success that quad.

    Anyways, about Yuzuru, I think the 3A 1lo 3S's BV is still higher that his 3z 1lo 3S last year without even the BV for 1lo (it's just 0.5 point) so with the 3A in place of 3Lutz, it's a huge change. And a good move.
    I think the GOE potential might be bigger too

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayarose View Post
    That could be true, but it could also be the original layout but then they decided 3A+x would be better/stable. My memory is kinda selective at times. Did the press con clips said that was the layout?
    no reason to do that he hit the all 3As in the second half all season in 2012/13, only missed one combination at SA but got the 2 3As(and that was the least of his problems that LP), and at 4CC I think doubled the 3T? but that was one of the rare competitions where he was popping (he doesn't usually pop, but when he does... it'll be at the same competition in short and long [4cc and SC 2013] lol)

    idk what the presscon said

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    His 3Lz+1Lo+3S combination in Sochi was considered as a sequence, and Takeshi Honda said it was because Yuzuru jumped newly the last one. But honestly speaking, I could not see the difference at that time clearly , before re-viewing it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUskvEAITdE

    Shoma succeeded 2A+1Lo+3F in this video, and received a high mark.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siE4NAYcr_I

    https://twitter.com/thanatosrelena/s...929345/photo/1

    I think when the second single loop has a certain distance, it looks great, not seeing like a stepping out.

    Edit: That's why Yuzuru's 3A+1Lo+3S looks so great

    Oh, by the way, for those who miss Jazzy Yuzuru ;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgSj5...ature=youtu.be

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    i never even knew the 3 combo jump where the single loop is in the middle part even existed before I saw yuzuru. up until that point i only saw ladies and regarded their jumps as "the best and the hardest" jumps because i was so bombarded by the media hype of ladies singles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuzyQ View Post
    His 3Lz+1Lo+3S combination in Sochi was considered as a sequence, and Takeshi Honda said it was because Yuzuru jumped newly the last one. But honestly speaking, I could not see the difference at that time clearly , before re-viewing it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUskvEAITdE
    Me too. I thought it looked the same as what he did in his other competitions when the 3Lz-1Lo-3S was counted. I think Yuzuru does this sequence the best among male skaters because he doesn't make it look like a step-out from the lutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelfacehanyu View Post
    i never even knew the 3 combo jump where the single loop is in the middle part even existed before I saw yuzuru. up until that point i only saw ladies and regarded their jumps as "the best and the hardest" jumps because i was so bombarded by the media hype of ladies singles.
    Yeah, partly the reason why I like male singles skating more is the difficulty of the jumps. Though they're not that flexible, the athleticism makes up for it. And I like they're competitiveness more XD

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