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    Quote Originally Posted by sampaguita View Post
    I posted this in a minor thread, so sorry for double posting. But anyway -- I uploaded subs for the NHK documentary on Yuzuru Hanyu. Two other Youtube users have kindly filled in the gaps and corrected the mistakes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5djBbHdVY9g

    Any more comments/corrections are welcome! I am currently working on translating a shorter interview, and I hope you wouldn't mind if I post the Youtube links here, as well.
    I just watched this and I want to say thank you for translating. I can speak a little japanese, but this helped me understanding it a lot! Watching this and watching the documentary of Daisuke posted in the Daisuke thread helps to understand the whole year of a skater so much more. You normally just watch the competition and wonder what went wrong. It is so obvious what went wrong at SA FP if you watch this. Yuzuru pushing himself in the middle of the night doing the same jump countless times....wow.

    It is obviously not my place as an outsider to critizes, but based on this documentary there are still loads of issues Yuzuru has to work on. Sure it was his decision to go to Orser. But if you watch this it just feels weird, how BO just repeats again and again, that Yuzuru needs to mature. Why? Someone in this thread said it as well, why not let it come naturally? I think a lot of us began to love Yuzuru last year with R&J. It worked so well because he was that young. If he continues to skate after Sochi his career might even be as long as Plushenkos. So why rush it now and not play into his more boyish charm, as long it is still there? He can still skate "mature" programs long enough.

    I found the lack of communication in Canada disturbing. The issue with jumps VS skating skills just shows one of many probable misunderstandings. Yes, there is a language barrier and it seems hard to overcome - Yuzuru seemed lonely to me. And of course, a coach like Orser is busy. He cannot focus on one student only, he has loads of other horses in his stable. I really wonder, it might even come to a fight for the top between Javier and Yuzuru. This is a weird situation. I'm not as knowledgeable as many of the others here, so was there a situation before where direct rivals for the gold had the same coach? How did THAT work out? It kind of makes me worried.

    Please don't misunderstand this as Brian Orser hate or something. He is obviously a gifted man. But I also think that we should be allowed to express our opinions on this. It is a discussion board and concerns Yuzurus future. It is still questionable to me if that move to Canada was the best idea for Yuzuru. I kind of think that Yuzuru will leave Orser after Sochi, regardless what the outcome is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Mao and Akiko skated their SP as well in more than one Jan shows, Mao tried 3A more than once.
    Mao and Akiko also made mistakes in their ice show in early Jan, Mao made mistakes at all her jumping passes at Nagoya and Akiko did so in Osaka SOI, but I admire Mao for trying 3As (making mistakes or not) and both ladies for skating their competition programs, but no one blamed on anybody because those fail of jumps in shows.

    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    So your sexist claim that ladies feel less tired in shows than boys just because they don't do quads and simply spin all around is insulting and has no merit. No, dear. This personal attack says more about you than me no doubts.
    I see you have problem understanding people's opinion and just interpret in your own rediculous way. I was talking about 3A and 3Lz3t, ladies who challenges these two jumping passes in show has more risk making mistake than other jumps. Who said anything about lady needing to do quads to compare with men? It was you that misinterpret people's words and come up with this whole idea all by yourself and brought up the sex issue then started insulting people around my dear.

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    They have time way more than two weeks. In case you are not aware of.
    I'm sorry it was 2 weeks from NHK to GPF where He didn't out of breath and fell on ice which in between time trains in Shendai, just being percise in case you don't understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_Michelle View Post

    I'm sorry it was 2 weeks from NHK to GPF where He didn't out of breath and fell on ice which in between time Yuzu trains in Shendai, just being percise in case you don't understand.
    Honestly Yuzu trained alone from NHK to JN .. and I hope he had not to train at 2 am every night..

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    Quote Originally Posted by giulia95 View Post
    Honestly Yuzu trained alone from NHK to JN .. and I hope he had not to train at 2 am every night..
    I hope he doesn't need to train at such time as well.
    I was simply talking about the time in between NHK to GPF when he trained alone and didn't seem that tired after FS at GPF, which explains building up stamina is a long term thing that requires several monthes even years of excise and couldn't posibly be done in two weeks. Of course he trained by himself from NHK to JN as well.
    Cricket is a better training site indeed, but I just hope Yuzu won't miss his family and friends so much after he gets more use to living abroad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_Michelle View Post
    I hope he doesn't need to train at such time as well.
    I was simply talking about the time in between NHK to GPF when he trained alone and didn't seem that tired after FS at GPF, which explains building up stamina is a long term thing and couldn't be done in two weeks, and of course he trained by himself from NHK to JN as well.
    Cricket is a better training site indeed, but I just hope Yuzu won't miss his family and friends so much after he gets more use to living abroad.
    I agree. I read several interviews of Yuzu. He said he was motivated to move to Cricket because he wanted to have trainining with Javie who has great skill in quads. Yuzu improves his jumps by visualizing the whole sequnces of the move and internalizing them in his body. He also said training together with Javie had been quite stimulating and encouraging. Tracy Wilson found them getting along and helping each other. In this sense, I think working with Javie would work positively for Yuzu. After all, he is quite smart kid to know what would work for him! I actually see much improvement in his performance which is evidenced by his achievements in this season. I just hope he would make his best performances in both SP and FS in Osaka. Can't wait to see them!

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    Welcome to Golden Skate, Miyabi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitterpatter View Post
    If you consider that Abe choreographed Zigeunerweisen one season and then co-choreographed R&J the next, I think a second attempt for Wilson is well within reason.
    I'm not the biggest fan of his 'Hello I Love You' EX this season, but the teen stripper references are - his Vertigo program was in the same vein as this one, and he was even younger than he is now. Also, he's 18, not 8 you guys. Plushenko did 'Sex Bomb' at about this age, for goodness' sake.
    I agree with you.Abe choregraphed Zigeunerweisen in 2010,but one year late she came up with R&J.Not all of her work are masterpiece,same as David Wilson.
    I hate his "Hello I Love You"and "Vertigo"at first sight.The music and outfit made me .But I remember in his 2010 DOI show that he said with a smile that he want to show his sexiness in this Vertigo program.
    I like what???I blamed Nanami every time when I saw this programe.Two years later,we have the hello show by kurt.Now I can understand different people have different view about yuzu's image.
    I adore him like my own son but some of my friends think he is a sexy machine.

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    [QUOTE=giulia95;707170]Mr “Hanyu who??” Wilson turned the wild and passionate teen Romeo into the old hunchbacked Quasimodo in a “little boring” FS ..... the kid collapsed at FT, SA and at JN was visibly unhealthy...no matter about medals at all![QUOTE]

    Mr.Wilson never heard of Cynthia Phaneuf before she made him her choregrapher.She is not a big name in figure skating world,but she is a canadian!
    Mr.Orser never heard of Kim Yuna when reginning world junior champion approached him to ask him to be her coach.
    In my own country a TV commentor and a former ISU judge who was on TV as a guset host didn't recognize him in 2012 WC and totally forgot they already saw him in 2009 JGPF.
    Eurosport's simon forgot who is this guy in 2011 COC but I remember in 2009 JW he siad this boy is the future.
    Actually,I think yuzu's not such a big name in firgure skating world before this season.His best achievement is world bronze medal.In canada,they have world champion and olympic medalist like orser,kurt,elvis,buttle and patrick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post
    I really dislike Notre Dame de Paris for music choice. IMO it didn't work for Weir, and it doesn't work for Hanyu. I hope that Hanyu is going to get a good FS for next year. Maybe Wilson is not the choreographer for him. I might be the minority here, but I think Buttle did a good job with Hanyu's SP. It still allows for his youth to shine while at the same time introducing him to a different genre of music to interpret and IMO Hanyu genuinely looks like he enjoys performing it.
    Same here! I LOVE his SP -- it's one of those "mature" programs that Hanyu can handle. Although he quickly reverts to his young self after the SP (just look at Kiss and Cry), his performance is convincing. And oh, did I mention that 3A coming from a counter?

    I hope he gets better programs next year. He seems to have "practice" programs this year, more to train on his skating skills and quad jumps than his expression. I'm excited to see him in Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitterpatter View Post
    With regard to his current FS, obviously its not as exciting as R&J and most of us here hope he gets a stronger program next season, but I think anyone who plans on using R&J as the standard for every single FS he does from now on is going to end up a very disappointed fan. For me, Notre Dame de Paris is tons better than Zigeunerweisen and tons better than a lot of other senior men programs. While I wouldn't mind if Jeffrey choreographed both programs next season or if Yuzuru switched to Miyamoto for the FS, I think it's a little early to brush David Wilson off completely. If you consider that Abe choreographed Zigeunerweisen one season and then co-choreographed R&J the next, I think a second attempt for Wilson is well within reason. Having your choreographer based at the same rink and therefore able to constantly monitor and tweak the development of your programs is hugely beneficial, so it'd be great if they could make it work.
    This is an interesting point and I agree!

    By the way, I am watching JSC on TV now, and this is so much fun!!
    Yuzuru had a bad skate, but PLEASE LOOK AT HIS SMILES!! (come on YT!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by yude View Post
    This is an interesting point and I agree!

    By the way, I am watching JSC on TV now, and this is so much fun!!
    Yuzuru had a bad skate, but PLEASE LOOK AT HIS SMILES!! (come on YT!!)
    umm, sorry for my ignorance but...what do these acronyms mean? The only show acronyms that I know are SOI (Stars on Ice) and FOI (Fiesta on Ice). What's PIW, JSC, etc? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sampaguita View Post
    umm, sorry for my ignorance but...what do these acronyms mean? The only show acronyms that I know are SOI (Stars on Ice) and FOI (Fiesta on Ice). What's PIW, JSC, etc? Thanks!
    JSC means Japan Super Challenge
    PIW means Prince Ice World

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    Thanks Elsa!

    By the way, I have already uploaded English subs for another feature on Yuzuru:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgyII531qH8

    It documents what happened until Finlandia, and focuses on his training in skating skills. Not as good as the 45-minute documentary, but since it interviews Yuzuru at length, it provides other insights on his training.
    Last edited by sampaguita; 02-03-2013 at 07:50 AM.

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    Thank you sampaguita. A great addition to the 45 min. documentary, Yuzuru seemed more positive about his training in Canada in this one.

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    What about just enjoying Yuzu's skating and cheering for him instead arguing and making personal remarks like little kids? o_O Seriously.

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