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Thread: Yuzuru Hanyu: 2012-13 Season

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    Quote Originally Posted by giulia95 View Post
    just another Hanyu's progress under Orser...
    He's had trouble in the past with the lutz, rotating it crooked in the air and popping it from time to time - '10 NHK SP, '11 4CC FS, '12 Worlds SP. With the added tech difficulty and concentration of the 4S attempts, he might be too tired to actually pull of the last lutz.

    Progress can go forwards and backwards, and I think the fact that he is still lipping is something to worry about more than his occasional failed lutz and it is getting called more often this season - that's potential +1, +2 GOE that he's losing. Even with the wrong edge, his flip is a beautiful jump, especially with the entrance that he takes into.

    I think that he should switch the 4S for a 4T. Sure his bv is going to drop, but his 4T is more consistent and the GOE that he gets from that will probably make up for the lack of a 4S and the easier triple that he'll do to max his jumping passes.

    zydeco88 thanks for the summary. Good for him for thinking positively that it was indeed a good thing that this happened at 4CC and not at worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post
    I think that he should switch the 4S for a 4T. Sure his bv is going to drop, but his 4T is more consistent and the GOE that he gets from that will probably make up for the lack of a 4S and the easier triple that he'll do to max his jumping passes.
    I guess this is an option! OTOH, it took him some time to get the 4T solid in competition, and we see that he has nice 4S in practices - maybe 4S just needs some more competitive mileage. He has time, just no injuries please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post

    I think that he should switch the 4S for a 4T. Sure his bv is going to drop, but his 4T is more consistent and the GOE that he gets from that will probably make up for the lack of a 4S and the easier triple that he'll do to max his jumping passes.
    Is he allowed to do two solo 4T's? I've never seen any skater do two identical solo jumps in the freeskate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sampaguita View Post
    Is he allowed to do two solo 4T's? I've never seen any skater do two identical solo jumps in the freeskate.
    Sorry for not making it clear. he would have to do it in a combo b/c he would lose points on two solo 4Ts and if he kept all three of his combos he'd do too many combos and one wouldn't count. He'd lose his 3Lz combo and replace it with a 3S. That's probably gonna take 5ish points off his bv, but he will probably have a better chance at completing a program with two quad toes.

    However, Yuzu doesn't seem like someone to give up and I think he's determined to land that 4S
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjane45 View Post
    Did he say something like "no more 4CC silver in the future"?
    Yes, he said exactly what you said! He said he wanted to get a different color of medal next time

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    I've read that changed Yuzu skate shoes 4CC before. It may be true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post
    He's had trouble in the past with the lutz, rotating it crooked in the air and popping it from time to time - '10 NHK SP, '11 4CC FS, '12 Worlds SP. With the added tech difficulty and concentration of the 4S attempts, he might be too tired to actually pull of the last lutz.
    Actually he did not make a mistake on 3Lz in 2010 NHk SP,unless you consider an negative GOE -0.30 is a mistake too.
    His mistakes on 3Lz in senior event:
    2011 FC FS:1Lz+2T

    2011 NT FS:1Lz

    2011 東北・北海道ブロック FS:1Lz+2T;3Lz<

    2011 CoC FS:3Lz+SEQ(Fall)

    2012 WC FS:1Lz
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    Quote Originally Posted by ser22 View Post
    I've read that changed Yuzu skate shoes 4CC before. It may be true?
    No, that was about Daisuke.
    Quote Originally Posted by FTnoona View Post
    he would have to do it in a combo
    Yuzu doesn't have any quad combo, still, neither with 4T nor with 4S (great work, papa Orser!). So, jumping two different quads is his only option for now, since two same solo quads are not allowed by rules. He used to land the seq in shows with a quad 4T-3A but it seems like gone with the wind too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    No, that was about Daisuke.
    Yuzu doesn't have any quad combo, still, neither with 4T nor with 4S (great work, papa Orser!). So, jumping two different quads is his only option for now, since two same solo quads are not allowed by rules. He used to land the seq in shows with a quad 4T-3A but it seems like gone with the wind too.
    Sorry! I read it wrong.

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    I think it he's goes back to Nanami Abe.

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    Elsa G, I counted the one at '10 NHK because he was so crooked in the air. It was amazing he powered through the 3T.

    Let's Talk, Hanyu did a 4T-2T in the SP at '12 worlds. I find it hard to believe that he can't do it anymore when he jumps the 4T with such ease. He did 4S-3A in shows this summer before the season started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elsa G View Post
    2012 WC FS:1Lz
    You sure that it wasn't 2012 WC Scriabin SP?

    Well, it took him about two years to get his 3A consistent since he first landed it, the same thing with 4T. I remember seeing a video of him landing a quad sal at an ice show in Japan circa 2011. Was it at The Ice 2011? And Plushenko even mentioned about Yuzu capable of doing 2 quads in cascades in this interview, published in Nov 2011. So, he might not have gotten consistent 4S this season, but hopefully he could next season. I don't see how doing 4T-3A or 4S-3A would do him any favours as far as BV's concerned cos sequences are only worth 80% of the BV and they're physically draining. It's better to do them separately. Though, I'd like to see him execute them in future competitions. It'll surely generate a lot of buzz. Papa Mishin also seems to think that it's ridiculous that these 3A-3A and quad-triple Axel combos are worth less than they're supposed to, considering the difficulties of executing them. And as for 4T-3T, I don't think he's quite confident yet to include it in his jump layout and I'm pessimistic he'd have been able to execute it with his current stamina issues and with his current difficult FS jump layout.

    Edited to Add: Yuzuru's recent 4T-3T.
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    http://winter.sport-express.ru/figur...reviews/28399/

    Brian Orser interview after Euros with quite some questions relating to Yuzuru. Anyone speaks Russian? :D

    From what I read in a rough Chinese translation + google translate:
    - While at Euros, Orser received an email from Yuzuru: Coach, come home, time to get to work (paraphrased)
    - Orser thinks Javier with 3 very, very good quads and quality performance can beat the Japanese men including Yuzuru.
    - Javier and Yuzuru encourage each other in training, both work very hard.
    - Yes Yuzuru is sometimes nervous in competitions, but it's actually good. One needs to face it and deal with it. He is beginning to understand it.
    - It is not difficult to work with Yuzuru. Working with him is great. One hard part though: Yuzuru sometimes asked to go home for a while. He values education and got into a top university in Japan, but he must learn to balance training and studying. Yuzuru is very, very talented, Orser is very interested in his development and Javier's the next 4, 5 years.
    - The whole team is anticipating Sochi, Orser thinks a lot about programs and strategy for next season.

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    Translated parts of Mishin's interview where Yuzu's relevant (used google babelfish translator + Japanese translation from Yuzu's 2ch thread and tried my best to make the sentences coherent. There's bound to be mistranslation, anyone who speaks Russian, feel free to make any corrections. '......' denotes untranslated parts)
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    Mishin: The younger generations of skaters are following the footsteps of Alexei Urmanov, Alexei Yagudin and Evgeni Plushenko.

    Interviewer: But the 18-year-old Yuzuru Hanyu was still too young then (at the time when Urmanov, Yagudin and Plushenko competed against each other).
    Mishin: Nonetheless, I think he was chasing after the Russian stars (I think he knew that Yuzu is a fan of Plushenko). People begin to pursue something out of their desire to surpass somebody else. Just like how Plushenko wanted to surpass Urmanov. Geniuses are not born out of nothing. If Hanyu had been born in an era when doubles were prevalent, his talent alone would have allowed him to do triples. Top-tier skaters nowadays can jump tons of quads, so naturally he thrives to make his quads much better-executed. It's an inherent nature possessed by people who crave for victory.

    Interviewer: How does Yuzuru Hanyu compare to Evgeni Plushenko?
    Mishin: Geniuses of different generations are incomparable. For example, Jesse Owens who was deemed a (track-and-field) genius in the past, would probably be considered a beginner by current standards. If you compare Plushenko and Hanyu based on the number of quadruple jumps executed ('as of late', I believe that's what he was implying), Hanyu has the advantage. But as far as artistry is concerned, Plushenko is clearly superior. Plushenko has made history with his skating, while I haven't sensed the same thing with Hanyu. However, I have great respect for his skills and talent. Had he not made a splash on the international scene, Japanese skaters like Kozuka Takahiko and Daisuke Takahashi might have disappeared earlier (might have made earlier retirements?).

    Interviewer: If you were given the authority to create the rules, what would you change specifically?
    Mishin: I find some of the rules that govern TES ridiculous. ... (he went on to talk about PCS and how the marks given are sometimes surprising)..... I would have given a bonus for the execution of complex combinations of jumps such as a 4T-3A and 3A-3A. However, under the current existing rules, these combinations are worth less than the same two jumps performed separately. Such absurdity continues to slow down progress.
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