I agree 8 points higher than P@B is an insult
I agree 8 points higher than P@B is an insult
Too bad that there are no competitive South American ice dancers to make the comparison more explicit.
Last edited by CARA; 12-09-2011 at 05:43 PM.
Poor Scott. If i'm not mistaken, V/M havent actually fallen in competition since back in '07. Figures it had to happen here, at the one competiton they still haven't won. Oh well...hopefully they can take it next year. I too am a little confused by the huge point gap, although I'm no technical specialist, so I'm sure that D/W did outskate V/M technically this time, at least in terms of levels. I found the differences in GOE strange, though. Sure, V/M did look a little off in a couple of sections after the fall, but not that off. Regardless, D/W should be on top here, and they are. I hope both teams have great FD's, since the pressure is now off in terms of placement.
I'm actually more confused by the fact that the Shibs are so close to W/P. I think this was W/P's best performance by far, and they absolutrely nailed the technical side as well this time. The Shibs program was nothing like any Latin piece I've ever seen. I'm not expecting them to have chemistry of anything, but they should at least try to move like Latin dancers. They were really blah compared to W/P and P/B (who were also great). I think the judges were really generous in the PCS department for these two this time.
For the record, I think that these results should put talk about the Skate Canada bonus for the Canadian skaters to rest. If anythng, the Americans seemed to get a boost this time around. That being said, I agree with the placements completely, just not all of the numbers.
ETA: BTW this is what ballroom samba looks like, especially for a young team. The Shibs are clearly going for this vibe. Theirs is an entirely correct, by the numbers type of ballroom latin dance.
Last edited by jcoates; 12-09-2011 at 06:01 PM.
"Latin dancing" is the dancing of South America & the Carribbean (hint: Latin America); properly. None of the teams at the GPF are from South, Central or Carribbean America or have Latin roots. Not even the French. And their Italian coaches are not Latin American either.
Specifically, the rhythms in the SD descriptions this year are:
Rhumba, Chacha, & Mambo are Cuban.
Samba is Brazilian.
Merengue is Dominican.
The only guy I recall being in elite ice dance with real Latin American roots was Ben Agosto. His dad was Puerto Rican. There were probably others, but I'm not an expert on the genealogy of ice dance teams. Sometimes you can be really surprised, especially by Americans whose ancestors were renamed by the immigration folks. Or whose mothers are of a different ethnicity .
Here's the ISU description
One to three of the following Latin American Rhythms: Cha Cha, Rhumba, Samba, Mambo, Merengue.
The Pattern Dance Elements can be skated to any of the above mentioned Rhythms (both elements to the same Rhythm or one element to one Rhythm and the second element to a different Rhythm), in the style of this (these) Rhythm(s), with the
following range of tempo: 43 to 45 measures of four beats per minute (172-180 beats per minute). The tempo of the music throughout the Pattern Dance
Latin American Rhythms are described in the ISU Ice Dance Music Rhythms Booklet 1995, pages 13
to 20 (Note: Tango and Paso Doble, which are not included in the description, are not allowed).
Last edited by dorispulaski; 12-09-2011 at 06:39 PM.
This was the first time I'd seen V&M's SD and I loved it. Too bad about the fall but they were really on the edge so that's what happens. I am puzzled about the marks D&W have been getting all season though, not technically, but artistically because to my untrained eye they are really stagnating and maybe even going backwards. Even if you take V&M out of the equation, their marks seem consistently too high. What am I missing here - or have the judges decided D&W can`t be beaten?
Have you seen D/W's free dance? If you don't like that, I give up.
I think that's true. When a team has been nearly perfect, any small failure of perfection is a shock.
I liked Virtue and Moir's lively kicks and steps in the short dance. Davis and White's short dance is only OK to me, though performed nicely here.
The Fledermaus free dance, however, is Davis and White's best work ever.
The best thing about ice dance is that, unlike singles, the programs are enjoyable and entertaining all the way up and down the roster, not just the top two or three.
Sorry...but, ETA: I have to rewatch again now to see where the tizzles were placed, but in case this is an easy question, are the twizzles part of the sequences or are they judged separately and under what/where? thanks in advance.