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    Quote Originally Posted by MrScroogeMcDuck View Post
    People are whining about Judge #5's marks for Chan, but are overlooking Judge #1 who gave him 9.75 on SS and 9.5 on everything else. Not to mention the fact that the same judge gave him +3 GOE on four elements and only a -1 for the boards fiasco. The point is that, yes, some judges scores are often questionable, but it works both ways.
    I was shaking my head over Judge #1 as well. Judge #1 is almost certainly the Canadian judge. Canada obviously isn't the only country whose judge does this for the home skaters. I will never understand it. Even though the judges are anonymous to the public, why would you want to appear that biased in the eyes of the ISU, or even yourself? If you have pride in your work and your ability to judge, why would you ever want to come across as incapable of leaving biased opinions towards home skaters out of your judging? You can still score Chan in first place without going overboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jettasian View Post
    I think it's more like some people are watching Chan skate for "how many falls and mistakes" he makes instead of how he skates.
    Because he's notorous for mutiple falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateflower View Post
    Because he's notorous for mutiple falls.
    I believe his SC LP had only 2. And last night, 1, which I'd call that unfortunate...cause of the board. But I know that his falls are accumulative.

    Even if he's clean, I'm sure some will find other things to complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold12345 View Post
    I was shaking my head over Judge #1 as well. Judge #1 is almost certainly the Canadian judge. Canada obviously isn't the only country whose judge does this for the home skaters. I will never understand it. Even though the judges are anonymous to the public, why would you want to appear that biased in the eyes of the ISU, or even yourself? If you have pride in your work and your ability to judge, why would you ever want to come across as incapable of leaving biased opinions towards home skaters out of your judging? You can still score Chan in first place without going overboard.
    If you like to guess Judge #1 must be Canadian and has a motive. Would you like to guess where's Judge #5 from, and what's his/her motive to give Chan 7.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold12345 View Post
    I was shaking my head over Judge #1 as well. Judge #1 is almost certainly the Canadian judge. Canada obviously isn't the only country whose judge does this for the home skaters. I will never understand it. Even though the judges are anonymous to the public, why would you want to appear that biased in the eyes of the ISU, or even yourself? If you have pride in your work and your ability to judge, why would you ever want to come across as incapable of leaving biased opinions towards home skaters out of your judging? You can still score Chan in first place without going overboard.
    Not trying to get some people overly excited, Judge #1 on the protocol for Chan could have well been the Chinese judge for all we know.

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    Honestly, Patrick deserved his score. He might not be the strongest in the technical aspect (I honestly think Yuzuru if he lands the quad, and Javier are stronger), but his PC score saves him (he had the highest I believe). So if everyone else is flawless in the LP, Patrick will still win the crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    Honestly, Patrick deserved his score. He might not be the strongest in the technical aspect (I honestly think Yuzuru if he lands the quad, and Javier are stronger), but his PC score saves him (he had the highest I believe). So if everyone else is flawless in the LP, Patrick will still win the crown.
    If everyone is flawless, LOL! More like if Patrick has 5 or 6 falls and everyone is flawless he will still "win" the crown. Mens events arent worth watching anymore, they are nothing but Chan coronations until he retires. If I were him I wouldnt even show up, I would send an envelope and request my gold medal back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    If everyone is flawless, LOL! More like if Patrick has 5 or 6 falls and everyone is flawless he will still "win" the crown. Mens events arent worth watching anymore, they are nothing but Chan coronations until he retires. If I were him I wouldnt even show up, I would send an envelope and request my gold medal back.
    I think the Mens event is the most exciting, more so than Ladies. I have to watch Patrick's performance in the LP, but he deserved to win the SP this time :P However, I find it super annoying when Patrick complains about his "disappointing 5th place finish" in the 2010 Olympics =_= I think he was overscored in the LP....I would place him below Johnny. If Oda didn't mess up, then I would place Patrick 8th or 9th. Patrick overestimates himself, and I just find that kind of annoying...

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    I guess you find reruns of Coronation Street exciting then. I have a couple of friends in Quebec City who were going to see the Grand Prix final but who dont follow as much skating as me. I wasnt able to make it but copied the entire schedule for them but advised them to use the senior mens short and long programs at 9:15 pm Saturday and 5 pm Sunday as the time to get dinner and lunch as they were the most worth missing. They followed my advice last night, and much to their benefit as it turned out. I spoke to them on the phone late last night and they very much enjoyed the rest of the competition and the juniors last night, so happily that was not ruined for them by seeing the senior mens "competition".
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    I see no point in second guessing judges and their nationalities, let alone being so convinced of them. From the protocol, judge #1 is the most generous to Patrick but almost every competitor has one generous judge. We don't know if it's all the same judge with a generous nature or different judges have different tastes and different favorite styles. In Patrick's case, while judge #5 is stingy with his/her PCS, his/her TES for Patrick is almost as generous as judge #1, and identical as judge #9. Judge #2 may arguably be the harshest on Patrick, giving out the substantially lower GOE than any other judge and the second lowest PCS. But we don't know whether or not the same judge is the Scrooge for every skater.

    The fact is there are nine judges and the highest and lowest marks are discarded, so the final official total score is close to a consesus of sorts. To actually speculate and extrapolate fairly, if it's possible, should involve more comprehensive comparison between judges for a skater as well as against all competitors' scoring pattern. Even then, it's darn impossible with the blind and scrambled order of judges. Personally, I think the final Total Scores as formulated are quite representative of the overall evaluations by the judges and indicative of the placements according to the qualities of performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I guess you find reruns of Coronation Street exciting then. I have a couple of friends in Quebec City who were going to see the Grand Prix final but who dont follow as much skating as me. I wasnt able to make it but copied the entire schedule for them but advised them to use the senior mens short and long programs at 9:15 pm Saturday and 5 pm Sunday as the time to get dinner and lunch as they were the most worth missing. They followed my advice last night, and much to their benefit as it turned out. I spoke to them on the phone late last night and they very much enjoyed the rest of the competition and the juniors last night, so happily that was not ruined for them by seeing the senior mens "competition".
    Hey, have some respect for the mens competition. None of the skaters had a clean program, but it was definitely a competition since the results were not fixed. Patrick went in as a favourite, and although wasn't clean, he skated fairly well. He deserved to win the SP, and his score is not ridiculously high that other skaters don't stand a chance of winning. I think with a fairly strong FS, he will win - but will he deserve it? That will depend on the other skaters. That's why it's a "competition", Patrick's placement is going to be dependent on the other skaters' performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becki View Post
    I think the Mens event is the most exciting, more so than Ladies. I have to watch Patrick's performance in the LP, but he deserved to win the SP this time :P However, I find it super annoying when Patrick complains about his "disappointing 5th place finish" in the 2010 Olympics =_= I think he was overscored in the LP....I would place him below Johnny. If Oda didn't mess up, then I would place Patrick 8th or 9th. Patrick overestimates himself, and I just find that kind of annoying...
    Patrick's Olympic disappointment was with himself, not the judging. He's never "whined" about it.

    His discussion with Browning regarding the Olympic experience is reminiscent of Steven Wright's saying: Experience is something you don't get untill just after you need it.

    However, Patrick has learned and been using so much of his Olympic experience with tremendous results. Good for him. Far from annoying, I find him fascinating and inspiring.

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    Patrick had two mistakes and Jeremy one(for all practical purposes). Should the score be closer? I believe Jeremy performed and connected much better , which factors into that very important PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginask8s View Post
    Patrick had two mistakes and Jeremy one(for all practical purposes). Should the score be closer? I believe Jeremy performed and connected much better , which factors into that very important PCS.
    But Patrick's technical score was higher...I think that made the biggest difference. If Jeremy attempted a quad, perhaps their score would've much closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Patrick's Olympic disappointment was with himself, not the judging. He's never "whined" about it.

    His discussion with Browning regarding the Olympic experience is reminiscent of Steven Wright's saying: Experience is something you don't get untill just after you need it.

    However, Patrick has learned and been using so much of his Olympic experience with tremendous results. Good for him. Far from annoying, I find him fascinating and inspiring.
    I read he was disappointed with his "5th place finish", but of course, he was probably more disappointed with his performance than his placement.

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