Wow. That is an extremely vile comment.
Nice try, how about finally giving us your take on why Chan is extremely overmarked based on CoP? Could it be that you really can't but instead is trying to create distraction with these baseless accusations?
Wow. That is an extremely vile comment.
I'm super-late and I've not read the whole thread yet, but you can't even start to imagine how big is what Javi has just got. I mean, this country has less than ten ice-rinks, no more than 7 skating clubs, etc. Javi is brilliant, and I really hope people (blinded by other sports) in Spain start to notice it.
For what it is worth, Javier was completely surrounded by young girls right after the Junior Men's LP. He made the "mistake" of showing up in the stands with the medal on his neck so a mass of girls literally mobbed him and demanded pictures. He was very nice with his fans but eventually he had to try to escape because there were too many of them.
I lost count how many times I have seen Patrick Chan skating in competitions but he never ceases to amaze me, even today, I was still impressed by his speed - probably could give Speedy a good challenge.
Fernandez certainly has the flair and the showmanship. In my opinion, what he really needs to focus on now is to improve his SS. He is definitely slower than the rest of the pack and he doesn't get a lot of height on his jumps. His ice coverage comes across as a little laborious even though he does have some good content in there. I like to see him lighter on his feet.
Hanyu is the only skater among this group that I hadn't seen in a competition yet. My assessment of him has changed - for the better. That's why it's hard to judge from a computer screen. I thought he was very expressive for his age and his basic skating skills are quite respectable, as well as his power.
It surprises me that Javier has lost to Hanyu on TES four consecutive times (in both SP and LP at COR and GPF), yet was still able to win the GPF event with a 5-point margin on PCS. This is not like Chan or Takahashi beating Hanyu with their even superior SS; on the contrary, Javier’s SS are just not as good as Hanyu’s. Comparing scores of these two skaters, it’s obvious that Javier is overscored on PCS, and Hanyu is lowballed.
So why is this the only measuring stick that you have been referring to so far? If my memory is correct, you are a Japanese living in Canada, aren't you? Could it be that you are a little upset that Takahashi didn't win, therefore, your emotions have clouded your logic and judgement?
In the same vein, do you feel the "casual fans" that you and Mathman referred to in this thread can tell: 1) Difference between a Quad and a Triple? 2) Which skater has more Tripe-Triple combos? 3) Which skater has better spins/footwork? 4) Which skater has more speed? 5) Which skaters had more jumps in total? I eagerly await how you and Mathman answer to these questions as the self-claimed representatives of "casual fans".
For me, Hanyu deserved to win the competition. His Long Program here looked slightly more rushed then in the past, but he still skated beautifully (so much HEART) and this is technically the strongest he has ever been. Only that one mistake on the least important jump element. Since the judges are making him wait his turn, I sure hope he continues to be as interesting and alive in the future as he has been this season.
I would have put Patrick 2nd overall, although 3rd in the LP. I do agree this is the best he has skated his LP all season and, yes, his basic movement across the ice is staggering. However, I still question the quality of his interpretation and the effectiveness of his choreography, and there were of course 3 significant mistakes technically. He is definitely a miraculous skater in some regards, but to make all of the mistakes he did throughout the competition and not be as much of an artistic prodigy as he is technically, and still finish more than 10 points ahead of the rest of the field...ehhh. With proper judging under the current rules I don't feel he should have been declared the winner here, but the rules themselves are at fault too. Skaters getting far too many points for heavily flawed elements. It's too bad that his skating can't just be appreciated for what it is. He is special but he is not Godly across-the-board, as the scores would have you believe.
Why is "cleanness" the only measuring stick I have been referring to so far? Because it is the main complaint that many posters have made in this thread. Can you find another measuring stick mentioned more often in the opinions that disagreed with the LP result? Again, I was not arguing that it should be the only measuring stick. What I tried to say instead was that it is obviously a measuring stick that many people use, a measuring stick that doesn't demand any skating training and is relatively free of subjectivity.
I'm super-late and I've not read the whole thread yet, but you can't even start to imagine how big is what Javi has just got. I mean, this country has less than ten ice-rinks, no more than 7 skating clubs, etc. Javi is brilliant, and I really hope people (blinded by other sports) in Spain start to notice it.
I feel sorry for Takahashi, Hanyu and all other skaters who had/have/will have to face Chan in competitions. The corruption of the men's field became beyond all reasonable grounds and it seems like Chan has no problem with it. Chan ubers lost my last trust because I refuse to understand how they can support and justify his crappy wins over the magnificent skaters and their performances. I don't see any hope for now for my favourite FS segment. I do believe things will be different in Sochi where the presence of Plushenko himself will set the things right, even if he won't medal. Chan never won in Russia with falls. If he wants to win there, he has to skate better than anyone else to earn the gold medal. Until then I am afraid we have to observe what we do now- farce, circus and a comedy that men's field turned out to be.
According to this this article, Chan Grand Prix champion, again, Chan received an apology from the Reuter reporter a couple of days ago. We know the press would never issue an apology unless they have to because they are absolutely wrong.
And that, essentially, is most people's problem with Chan; he's all ego, no heart. With him, it's all about, "look everyone, see how busy my programs can be and how many tricks I can cram into 4 and a half minutes." His fans are in on the act too with their proclamations about how much more difficult his programs are in comparison to his competitors. Whatever, I don't get any kind of emotional connection with him; he completely sacrifices heart and human connection in exchange for maximum points accumulation and super busy programs. That is why he will never be an Abbott or Takahashi or Savoie or Lambiel or Kozuka and so on. That is also why I believe many do not appreciate him in the way that he wants to be appreciated. Well, that, and the way this judging system constantly rewards him gold medals even when he makes more mistakes than others. Browning connected with the audience on an emotional level with his programs. Chan has a long way to go to learn this trait. JMO.
I agree. I hope he will get the attention he deserves, but I sadly know he won't, although what he does is incomparably harder than what footballers, who get the most attention, do.
I feel sorry for Takahashi, Hanyu and all other skaters who had/have/will have to face Chan in competitions. The corruption of the men's field became beyond all reasonable grounds and it seems like Chan has no problem with it. Chan ubers lost my last trust because I refuse to understand how they can support and justify his crappy wins over the magnificent skaters and their performances. I don't see any hope for now for my favourite FS segment. I do believe things will be different in Sochi where the presence of Plushenko himself will set the things right, even if he won't medal. Chan never won in Russia with falls. If he wants to win there, he has to skate better than anyone else to earn the gold medal. Until then I am afraid we have to observe what we do now- farce, circus and a comedy that men's field turned out to be.
YuNa Kim won back-to-back GPF's under CoP, in 2006-2007 and 2007-2008.And congrulations again to Patrick Chan for being the first repeat winner of the GPF under COP, and being only the second man to accomplish the feat besides Plushenko.
I'm sure Chan has the magical power to corrupt the Russians (not that difficult) too, so he can win Sochi gold with 34 falls
I agree. I hope he will get the attention he deserves, but I sadly know he won't, although what he does is incomparably harder than what footballers, who get the most attention, do.
YuNa Kim won back-to-back GPF's under CoP, in 2006-2007 and 2007-2008.