S/S throw 3F is the best out there, both height and distance. They even tried throw 4F in practiceOriginally Posted by StellaCampo
S/S throw 3F is the best out there, both height and distance. They even tried throw 4F in practice
I prefer S/S at this point. They are always evolving! I would like to see what S/S would look like if they tried Morozov's choreography.
I really admire S/S's efforts to continue broadening both their choreographic range and their technical skills. While they seem to be backing off of plans to incorporate the throw triple axel, it is still quite impressive given an otherwise clean program full of difficult transitions and less familiar music is as physically demanding, but in other ways, I would assume.
V/T being injured in so many ways is probably a "normal" for athletes at this caliber, but does make me wonder what an injury free V/T could deliver.
Ironically, I could imagine a partner switch as being my own version of an ideal. Of the men, I prefer the size, lines and posture of T and the just slightly more feminine (maybe wrong or poorly chosen word) or is it airy delicate quality of S.
This is a hard one to choose from. It's even harder becuase Tatiana and Aliona look so much alike. If it wasn't for their partners looking so opposite, I would get them confused. LOL
I like both teams but S/S are my favorite - I'm impressed with their artistry, innovative choreography, I could watch and watch their performances many times with great pleasure; V/T have brilliant technique but not the artistry and intricacy of choreography of S/S. I am not sure I will remember any of V/T's routines in 10 years' time but will never forget the Pina of S/S, Pink Panther, Out of Africa, Send in the Clowns, Shindler's List, Circque de Soleil, Mission! Fantastic skaters on Ingo Steuer's great choreography!
I like them both with a preferance of S/S because of their succesful effort to be very original and artistic. Even though they seem to be more vulnerable in a way.
The most important thing is the best on the competition HAS TO win, and it will not create any hatery.
They are all nice, professional sportsmen.
I completely understand how people are saying that they like S/S because they are more artistic and have better choreography, etc. However, V/T have been skating together for a very short time and won't continue past Sochi (therefore have less time to develop and have less interesting programs) so of course they won't have as many memorable performances. It is very sad that they just teamed up because they could have been absolutely amazing right now if they would have started skating together 4 or 5 years ago.
V/T get a lot of credit for being good especially because they achieve so much with their former partners. But they still have a lot to work on, especially to get to the level of S/S.
V/T may have a high twist but not choreography going into it and sometimes she doesn’t get a true split and only gets a level 1. I think B/L have a much better twist.
S/S throws are much better, their 3F is to die for, she is almost at chin level. Volo tend to two foot way too many of her landing and that will have to change. S/S have better pairs spins at this point; V/T can get better with time they just aren't there yet. As far as lifts go I think S/S have much better lifts, Trankov looks way too labored and the lifts plus the exits are too easy, they should look effortless if they are not going to put any difficulty in them. There is one lift where he doesn’t even go ¼ - ½ of the rink.
I agree that V/T haven’t been around much to show versatility however they have been together for almost two years and for all Trankov’s talk about dumbing down choreography for Maria and not getting to do what he wants, they really haven’t done anything ground breaking. Carmina Burana, Romeo & Juliet…Swans….please it’s all been done it’s time to put his money where his mouth is.
Aliona is far more expressive on the ice then Tatiana who just seems to skate right through the music hoping the elements will be enough and I think Robin and Maxim are equally matched as far as skill.
S/S outshines them in choreography by a mile. (Thanks Ingo!)
But the funny thing is with everyone assuming it will be S/S and V/T going gold and silver at the Olympics…..just remember what happened to Irina and Michelle, no one saw Sarah Hughes coming.
PS Why won’t V/T continue past Sochi, to my knowledge this has never been said by either of them.
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I was not comparing them in so much detail as you have. My point was that it takes time to build a relationship on ice to become an excellent couple so even if they had successful careers with former partners, no one should expect that they have mind-boggling choreography and chemistry on ice.
It was never said officially that they won't continue past Sochi but Trankov said in an interview before that they will only have about four years together and will not be able to skate as much as they want to.
Both couples have flaws and we all have different reasons for why we like S/S over V/T or the other way. Personally, I would always put V/T on top because I feel mesmerized when I watch them that I haven't felt since B/S. S/S leave me cold.
Last edited by DianaSelene; 01-12-2012 at 07:46 PM.
Chemistry is one thing; choreography is quite another. There is no reason in their second year together they can't handle doing harder more unique choreography, they just need to be taught it by a "good" choreographer. That is what Trankov complained about with Oleg and Maria; not being able to handle hard choreography yet V/T haven't shown any and now they are about to be in their 3rd year. If in fact they are retiring after 2014 they only have 2 more years to do it.
I prefer V/T. But I like a healthy rivary btw V/T and S/S the best. Hope they can push each other for good.
Just have a question: since posters are talking about this issue, is V/T's choreography this year easier than M/T or about the same?
Just because V/T do not have choreographically good programs does not mean that they are not able to execute difficult good programs. It is just that right now they have a bad choreographer.
If V/T had S/S' choreography, then them for sure. If Aliona had Tatiana's gorgeous lines/positions (mousepotato, I'm surprised you didn't mention this when talking about lifts), it would be S/S by a country mile. S/S win on accrued points - "The Mission" and "Out of Africa" and "L'Oiseau" and "Pina" are just too good a murderer's row to deny, but if V/T ever get a program worthy of them..... whoa.
DianaSelene, where would you rank Totmianina/Marinin in the Russian canon. What do you prefer about V/T that you would skip them and go back to B/S?
I agree with you. The only thing V/T currently lack is a 3-3 and better choreography. Volosozhar's lines and arms are to die for. It annoys me when some say "Well, they don't have good choreography so they might not be capable of doing it." Have I been to their practices? Do I know if they tried difficult choreography and decided they can't do it? I don't believe that skaters with such great skating skills, posture, etc. would not be able to skate to difficult choreography. It is just that currently they decided to work with a poor choreographer- not a very good choice- but that doesn't take away the fact that they are still great skaters.
About T/M. They are one of my favorite pairs because of their performance in Torino. However, other than 2006, I was rarely mesmerized by them. They had great technique- good jumpers and consistent. My favorite programs were their Snowstorm, Romeo and Juliet, and Ave Maria. But B/S was exciting to watch every single competition. I never grew tired of their skating even if they skated poorly. This is what I feel with V/T. It reminds me of Plushenko- he has a quality that makes you want to watch him.
I don't think Tatiana has any better "lines or posture" than Aliona. Aliona has amazing edges and knee bend, but I think Tatiana skates on a flat foot too much.
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