Scott Moir says its a piss off

skateflower · Dec 11, 2011

Interesting interview, to say the least.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...win-silver-at-grand-prix-final-135407983.html

Virtue, from London, Ont., and Moir, from Ilderton, Ont., scored 112.33 points for what they felt was a gold-medal free dance to music from the old Hollywood movie "Funny Face" and 183.34 points overall. But American world champions Meryl Davis and Charlie White claimed gold, edging the Canadians by 0.05 points in the free dance for a total score of 188.55.

"It's a piss-off," Moir said. "Sorry, that's as blunt as I can be. We're not happy, we felt like we laid down a good skate and in our opinions a good enough skate to win and obviously we're missing something.

"It's tough to swallow, especially when Tessa and I have had probably our best fall to date and this is the best start of a season that we've had. It was a little easier to swallow when we weren't doing the training or Tessa was in pain, but now that everything's a go, it's a bitter pill to swallow."

Virtue and Moir were gunning for their first Grand Prix Final title. They skipped the Grand Prix two of the previous three seasons after Virtue twice underwent surgery on her lower legs.

"There won't be any problem with motivation for the rest of the year," Moir said. "It's bulletin board material now.

"We wanted to win our first Grand Prix Final in Canada and in Quebec City and to not accomplish that is rubbing a little bitter. As you can tell."

But the 24-year-old was more frustrated with the fact they received lower component scores — artistic impression marks under the old scoring system — than the Americans, whom they train with in Canton, Mich.

Earlier this week Moir called the Canadians' free dance their flagship program. Set to the whimsical music from "Funny Face," Moir is Fred Astaire complete with hair neatly parted on the side, while Virtue is Audrey Hepburn in a shimmering red dress.

"It's tough to get beat artistically when we feel we're the best artistic ice dance team in the last five years," Moir said

Looks to me V/M are finally taking off their gloves and reveal their true feelings. I'm so tired of those 'we-are-the-best-friends' official line. Time for some popcorn.

CassAgain · Dec 11, 2011

I think it's always better to have others declare you robbed rather than to state it yourself.

Good drama, sure. Questionable sportsmanship.

I always thought Meryl and Charlie did a good job of letting disappointing results motivate them while remaining really classy toward their rivals. Scott might benefit from watching some old tapes.

MoonlightSkater · Dec 11, 2011

CassAgain said:
I think it's always better to have others declare you robbed rather than to state it yourself.

Yes, exactly.

And let's not forget that he spent some time on his backside during the short dance.

ImaginaryPogue · Dec 11, 2011

I'm pretty sure that losing the GPF at home is a bitter pill, as he said, but it's the FD loss on PCS that rankles.

jaylee · Dec 11, 2011

MoonlightSkater said:
And let's not forget that he spent some time on his backside during the short dance.

And because of that, I find it very strange that he says, they laid down "a good enough skate to win". He really thinks their FD should've been 5 points better than D/W, enough to win, when D/W didn't make any mistakes?

Not cool, not classy, Mr. Moir. And I actually thought Weaver/Poje had the best artistic performance of the night...

Dragonlady · Dec 11, 2011

CassAgain said:
I think it's always better to have others declare you robbed rather than to state it yourself.

Good drama, sure. Questionable sportsmanship.

I always thought Meryl and Charlie did a good job of letting disappointing results motivate them while remaining really classy toward their rivals. Scott might benefit from watching some old tapes.

Where exactly did they trash Charlie and Meryl? They expressed their disappointment without in any way diminishing or disrespecting their competition. That's being classy.

jcoates · Dec 11, 2011

Dragonlady said:
Where exactly did they trash Charlie and Meryl? They expressed their disappointment without in any way diminishing or disrespecting their competition. That's being classy.

It's the indirect implications and not so sublte digs buried in Scott's comments now and in the past that rub some fans the wrong way.

Clearly you missed the quotes where he asserts that he felt the skated well enough to win. Since he did not qualify that declaration by referring specifically to the FD, one has to assume he meant the overall competition. That would require him and Tessa to win the FD by more than five point over D/W. Something they have not done in years even when Tessa was fully healthy. That implies by default that he feels they are so superior that to D/W that they should be beating them by the same sort of margins with which they defeat lesser rivals.

Also, Scott asserted that he felt he and Tessa are the best team artistically over the last five years. Fine to feel that way, but he's implying that he is entitled to some sort of static mark or status above his rivals regardless of how much they improve or what they do on the day.

Pogue also brought up a similar quote me made in the lead up to the Olympics about D/W being second best. (He's also called recently called D/W great element skaters w/ no reference to their other merits.) Again it's fine for him to feel that way, but to verbalize it certainly opens him up to questions of poor sportsmanship even if that was not his intent. Then again, Scott is no fool and knows that his most ardent fans wholeheartedly agree with him. This will likely inflame those passions with those same fans. Regardless, it's that sort of supreme confidence that has allowed him to become a champion and is what separates him from us mere mortal who can only dream of being that good.

Mathman · Dec 11, 2011

Dragonlady said:
Where exactly did they trash Charlie and Meryl? They expressed their disappointment without in any way diminishing or disrespecting their competition. That's being classy.

Well, Scott pouted that he and Tessa are the best artistic team in the last five years, so it is tough to get beat (by Davis and White who are not as artistic as we).

Davis and White had a good fall season, too, and no doubt thought that their skate was good enough to win. The times when Davis and White lost to Virtue and Moir D&W did not say, what a bitter pill to swallow (losing to an inferior team).

Violet Bliss · Dec 11, 2011

I understand some people are hankering for popcorn, so I searched the article for juicy bits of classless trashing of the winners, instead I found

The Canadians will head back to the drawing board ahead of the Canadian championships next month in Moncton, N.B., the ISU Four Continents, and finally the world championships where they aim to reclaim the gold medal they lost to Davis and White last season.

"It will be exciting to get back and review the scores in detail," Virtue said. "If we need to make some major changes we will, this is the time to do it."

What? Looking to improve their programs? Not giving people the drama they want? How classless and disappointing!

Spun Silver · Dec 11, 2011

Exactly. And I hope D/W continue to be classy enough to keep their opinion about this, or V/M's inferiority (as they may perceive it) to themselves.

jettasian · Dec 11, 2011

I think V/M can still pretty much win World. The two teams' LP are pretty much equal (based on the GP marks through out 6 events). So it comes down to SP, and I think V/M has the edge on the SP over D/W.

Spun Silver said:
Exactly. And I hope D/W continue to be classy enough to keep their opinion about this, or V/M's inferiority (as they may perceive it) to themselves.

It's crazy that nowaday, a skater can NOT voice their view/opinion anymore, or you will be labled as such and such. First, it's Chan, and now V/M. I don't think there's anything wrong with either Chan or V/M's remarks, as it's their opinions and that's how they feel. Who are you and I to say they can or can't say?

blackswanphoto · Dec 11, 2011

jcoates said:
It's the indirect implications and not so sublte digs buried in Scott's comments now and in the past that rub some fans the wrong way.

Clearly you missed the quotes where he asserts that he felt the skated well enough to win. Since he did not qualify that declaration by referring specifically to the FD, one has to assume he meant the overall competition. That would require him and Tessa to win the FD by more than five point over D/W. Something they have not done in years even when Tessa was fully healthy. That implies by default that he feels they are so superior that to D/W that they should be beating them by the same sort of margins with which they defeat lesser rivals.

Also, Scott asserted that he felt he and Tessa are the best team artistically over the last five years. Fine to feel that way, but he's implying that he is entitled to some sort of static mark or status above his rivals regardless of how much they improve or what they do on the day.

Pogue also brought up a similar quote me made in the lead up to the Olympics about D/W being second best. (He's also called recently called D/W great element skaters w/ no reference to their other merits.) Again it's fine for him to feel that way, but to verbalize it certainly opens him up to questions of poor sportsmanship even if that was not his intent. Then again, Scott is no fool and knows that his most ardent fans wholeheartedly agree with him. This will likely inflame those passions with those same fans. Regardless, it's that sort of supreme confidence that has allowed him to become a champion and is what separates him from us mere mortal who can only dream of being that good.

You state this so well.. This just the reason I could never be a fan of V/M. He is delusional if he thinks they are a better TEAM than D/W. Yes Scott probably is the best male ice dancer in the world but as a team... NO! They are not the best.

MrScroogeMcDuck · Dec 11, 2011

Not very classy, Moir.

blackswanphoto · Dec 11, 2011

Dragonlady said:
Where exactly did they trash Charlie and Meryl? They expressed their disappointment without in any way diminishing or disrespecting their competition. That's being classy.

Are you serious? He was being EXTREMELY disrespectful in a very underhanded way.. He would have been better off just outright saying what he really wanted to say instead of being sneaky about it. His cockiness and attitude have always been big a put off.

gmyers · Dec 11, 2011

Will this cause civil war in Canton?!? Previously it was all about becoming the best and taking NA to the top and now they are at the top and they will turn on each other like with GP and KO!?! Is that a possibility?!?

jaylee · Dec 11, 2011

SkateFiguring said:
I understand some people are hankering for popcorn, so I searched the article for juicy bits of classless trashing of the winners, instead I found

What? Looking to improve their programs? Not giving people the drama they want? How classless and disappointing!

What a disingenuous response on your part. You know that Tessa's comment that you quoted is not what is being seen as "classless and disappointing." Scott's comments most certainly are.

ImaginaryPogue · Dec 11, 2011

gmyers said:
Will this cause civil war in Canton?!? Previously it was all about becoming the best and taking NA to the top and now they are at the top and they will turn on each other like with GP and KO!?! Is that a possibility?!?

You realize they won't actually kill each other, right?

KKonas · Dec 11, 2011

jettasian said:
I think V/M can still pretty much win World. The two teams' LP are pretty much equal (based on the GP marks through out 6 events). So it comes down to SP, and I think V/M has the edge on the SP over D/W.

It's crazy that nowaday, a skater can NOT voice their view/opinion anymore, or you will be labled as such and such. First, it's Chan, and now V/M. I don't think there's anything wrong with either Chan or V/M's remarks, as it's their opinions and that's how they feel. Who are you and I to say they can or can't say?

No one says they can't say what they want, they just have to be able to deal with the repercussions, and not all will be nice.

blackswanphoto · Dec 11, 2011

It's ok though.. If Scott does not LEARN to respect one of the greatest dance teams of all time, he will be FORCED to with all the silver medals that will be wrapped around his neck.

skateflower · Dec 11, 2011

gmyers said:
Will this cause civil war in Canton?!? Previously it was all about becoming the best and taking NA to the top and now they are at the top and they will turn on each other like with GP and KO!?! Is that a possibility?!?

Would that be great? After defeating the evil soviet empire, time for a civil war. Popcorn in paradise. LOL.

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