On the Ice
Canadian ladies vs. other disciplines
I'm hoping someone here can shed some light on this topic. It's something I've always wondered about.
Why are the Canadian ladies so weak compared to the other three disciplines? Is there a reason why this happens? Joannie Rochette had a few very successful years, but other than that the Canadian ladies have really struggled over the past 20 years or so. Similar to the way Cynthia Phaneuf has been struggling since her great performance at Worlds in 2010. She has the potential to do quite well, and yet she continues to have problems landing her jumps. The same was true for many of the Canadian ladies who came before her.
And yet the men do very well. There is usually a Canadian man on the podium at Worlds/Olympics or at least challenging the leaders (and often several of them...). The ice dancers have been getting better and better over the past 10-15 years, and the pairs are always competitive.
So why does this happen? It's not because Canada doesn't have a strong tradition in ladies skating. I can't imagine that fewer girls than boys get involved in the sport. Is there something about the training or coaching of ladies in Canada that makes it difficult for them to reach the highest levels? Or is this just how things have happened?
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God spreads the wealth around. Canada can't have everything in one quadrennial. Joannie is as beautiful a skater as it gets.And a strong athlete. She wasn't the strongest competitor but she was on podiums with two of the best females we've seen ever. We just had a great talent under CoP in Canada so I think your point isn't accurate. She's retired for now. She was beaten at the Olympics by a perfect unbeatable Yuna Kim, a truly driven (for a while ) athlete. Mao Asada came second with two flawless (almost) skates with 3 triple axels. What Joannie did was incredible. It was beyond anything I ever saw at Olympics.
They had S/P in pairs, they have Voir and Patrick. I'd say Canada has been kicking butt over many decades. This is the era of Asian dominance in just about everything.
I would ask why so few good women skaters are coming out of Europe? Carolina has been it and struggling until just last year, now winning with easier jumps.
Maybe success breeds success and every little male skater builds on the great one before. No question Canada and the USA supplied the mens world class skaters for decades with Russia coming third. Now Japan is training the best singles as they are crazy about FS, families will sacrifice, and their work ethic is the best. So talent comes from everywhere. You might ask where is the Canadian pair to emerge under CoP?
I don't think there is an answer to your question, other than Canadian parents maybe don't want to push their little girls to elite level when the money is not there. I don't think it will help the situ as all of Canada sees their golden boy PChan's family is financially stressed and even though he's world champion, he is questioning whether it was worth it.
I personally don't care for Cynthia or Amelie. Perhaps there is someone in juniors right now in Canada who is going to pop. I have not looked at the juniors other than Gracie Gold of USA and the Russian babies because there are so many. Have you watched any JGPF events to see whose in the oven so to speak?
Last edited by skateluvr; 12-17-2011 at 12:31 AM.
I've often wondered about this question myself. Canada has had an almost unbroken line of male contenders, from Toller Cranston on; it's been an ice dancing powerhouse since Wilson and McCall in the eighties; and it has frequent pairs champions (though not right now). Canada is not entirely without ladies' stars, including Magnussen, Manley, and Rochette, but the consistency isn't as strong as in the men's roster. Maybe it's just one of those things. After all, Russia hasn't been lucky with ladies' champions, largely except for Slutskaya (maybe the new juniors will change that), and it has had a long string of successes in the other three disciplines.
Last edited by Olympia; 12-17-2011 at 01:36 AM.
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