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    Patrick Chan

    I was thinking about Patrick's LP and just how fast he moves although it is not just all one speed. Somehow, this reminded me of two things: someone on a thread somewhere here was talking about the use of the edges to generate speed and glide and was wondering if that could be explained here relative to Patrick (because of his amazing speed and edge work); also, I was remembering commentators talk about Plushy back in his glory days and he he could accelerate out of nowhere and was wondering if he's ability is similar (skill based wise) to Patrick's. I have never seen Patrick live, but you can just see on tv even how he skates differently than most of the other men, and I did see Plushy live once (SOI or COI event, can't remember which) and it was truly astounding how quickly he moved from one end of the rink to the other.

    I was also thinking about the idea of connection to music (because of stuff I'm reading on the "wrestling with scores in Icedance thread"). And felt myself wondering if there ways Patrick is connecting to the LP music in ways I hadn't noticed. I'm an uber, but have noticed that he isn't as musical or musical in an obvious way like Daisuke is, but something about this program and his movements I find very compelling and I trying to put words to it.

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    Throughout those years that I have been watching figure skating, I haven't seen any single skater (not including ice dancer), whether in the past or at present, that has demonstrated the same high quality of skating skills in a competitive program as Chan has. His skating alone is already exceptional, not to speak of his ability of performing quads. And one thing that has not been mentioned often concerns his continuous improvement. Take this year for example: I see great improvement in his artistic expression--body line, movement.... The word "stagnation" never goes with Chan. Have his spins improved as well? It seems to me he spins faster than he did several years ago.
    He deserved winning GPF with his big margin in the short. He deserved winning TEB with his superlative transitions and skating skills light year ahead of Nan Song's. No complaints from me about his winning at all (though I argued IJS needs to be tweaked). In my eye, Chan has always been a deserving champion.
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    The whole thing about blade skills fascinates me. People that I associate with this are Kurt of course (like a wizard!), Chan, Michelle in a different way, Curry, and Katia Gordeyeva. John Curry studied with Gustav Lussi, a jump expert, so that he could jump from almost nothing. He wrote about being given a small patch of ice on which to practice jumps, so as to develop this skill. I'm sure that blade control has a lot to do with the finesse he eventually achieved in this area. Katia's blade control I can see for myself. She does this sort of sliding ricochet move where she seems to pivot in another direction in the middle of a glide; also, friends who have seen her skate live have remarked on her incredible speed, even now. Her footwork is also masterful, which seems to be a result of her bladework.

    What skatinginbc said about Patrick's constant work to improve is something I've noticed, too. Though I have expressed frustration at the fact that so many of his jumps this year were unrefined, I can see that he's not resting on his laurels, and that gives me confidence that he'll only improve. I'm not an uber fan, but I do admire him, especially for his work ethic, and I enjoy his skating. I look forward to liking him more and more. You can see that he gives it his all, and he plainly has a lot to give.
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    Just out of curiosity, how does Michelle fit in with the others you mention? I never found her to skating skills up to par with the all-time legends. Certainly in her generation she was up there (along with Irina) but I don't know about being mentioned alongside Kurt or Katia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Just out of curiosity, how does Michelle fit in with the others you mention? I never found her to skating skills up to par with the all-time legends. Certainly in her generation she was up there (along with Irina) but I don't know about being mentioned alongside Kurt or Katia.
    Michelle had some of the quietest skating ever. Very effortless acceleration and marvelous use of edge. If you read the book (the title escapes me at the moment) from the American judge and 2002 Olympic Team Leader who blew the whistle to the referee after the pairs event (who got kicked out of the ISU for trying to start the WSF with Dick Button and a few others as an alternative over riding federation), he talks about judging an event when Kwan was up and coming and seeing her on practice ice. Sublime SKATER. I hear the same from one of my coaches who skated in California with Frank Carroll about the time Michelle was a Junior and moving into the Senior ranks.

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    I hope he performs at Nats this year just like he did in 2010 Nats......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPcPTXUh1uA. It was awsome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Michelle had some of the quietest skating ever. Very effortless acceleration and marvelous use of edge. If you read the book (the title escapes me at the moment) from the American judge and 2002 Olympic Team Leader who blew the whistle to the referee after the pairs event (who got kicked out of the ISU for trying to start the WSF with Dick Button and a few others as an alternative over riding federation), he talks about judging an event when Kwan was up and coming and seeing her on practice ice. Sublime SKATER. I hear the same from one of my coaches who skated in California with Frank Carroll about the time Michelle was a Junior and moving into the Senior ranks.
    Thanks, mskater93! I couldn't have answered this question with the level of detail it deserves. I've frequently heard that many of Michelle's elements were "textbook," but I wouldn't have known how to go about explaining why people have said so. As it's probably easy to tell from my comments, I'm a fan but have no skating experience at all, and there are some aspects of skating that can only be understood by someone who skates, or pointed out by such a person.

    I'm curious; is that blade control something innate, or can it be taught? Obviously it must be emphasized by the coach, whether it's inborn or not, but can someone have more of it than someone else just by natural gift? Either way, blessings on Frank Carroll for being such a meticulous teacher. He gave Michelle a huge advantage by emphasizing the proper technique rather than rushing her to get jumps before she knew how to "build" them. Wouldn't it have been great if he'd been coaching Caroline Zhang from an early age....

    Not meaning to hijack the thread, but this knowledge will also help me understand what to look for in Patrick's skating.
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    MK did not skate when so much footwork was required but she had beautiful edges and staying on your feet through 7 triples time after time is quite a skating skill. She was not as balletic or fast over the ice as Gordeeva but Gordeeva was a pair skater, not any kind of jumper. Always lovely at what she can do, though.

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    I love Patrick's skating!

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    Strange, why aren't there many posts? I thought it would have been several pages already. Come on, don't be shy. Let's give Chan some support.

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    I'm not shy away. I just don't have much time these days as Christmas is near.

    Thank you so much Doris!!! Appreciate it!!!

    I'm wondering how many Patrick Chan fans on this board?

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    I just wanted to say, since I've seen some people question why this thread is needed, that I think it's a great idea. For one thing, Patrick Chan is high-profile and newsworthy, and it would be a good to have a one-stop place for Chan news & updates rather than starting new threads seemingly every time he laces up his skates. In addition, because GS is a general discussion forum, most threads will have people of different views and perspectives; IMO, it's nice to have one thread where specific skaters' supporters know that the discussion will be primarily positive regarding their favorite(s), especially for skaters who tend to attract both fans and detractors of the more vocal variety. Having such a thread is not unprecedented - as Doris noted, there's the Yu-Na news thread, I also saw Akiko and Carolina fan threads, and who can forget the epic Plushenko thread from a couple of years ago? That last one didn't start out fan-focused, but eventually it became a mostly Plush-friendly place for his fans (and those of us who found it entertaining) to hang out. I hope this one will turn out like that, too.

    And now, I shall follow Thumper's lead and leave the thread to its target audience...

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    Patrick Chan

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    Cute pic of Weaver, Poje and Patrick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingfan4ever View Post
    After he retires, the haters will (hopefully) learn to ignore him while we ubers are left to find and enjoy every show program in peace.
    Peace is within yourself, all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    OMG... the hatred threads will abound. On second thoughts, it will be amusing to watch the hysteria and bitching ... like headless chooks (as one poster put it in another forum). Very apt!
    Hatred and anger are poisons people ingest, thinking that they will kill their hate targets. You may choose to feel sorry for them or be amused. What drama!

    Hey Guru, is your crystal ball working well?
    Clearly.


    eta: Hey Spiky, I had to look up chook to confirm it was what I thought it meant. So, another Aussie Patrick fan? Australia Bureau is growing!

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