Patrick Chan

[Mathman]

There's a "Jessica Dube loves Scott Moir" web site?

[spikydurian]

Thank you so much for the words of warm welcome.
Yes, I love Patrick. He has been the apple of my eye!
I was literally afraid of coming to this whole forum because of the whole bitching and complaining of haters. Now I'm so happy to find this thread. Thank you all

We are delighted to have a peaceful lurker joining us, Fenena. We not only share our adoration for Patrick here, we also get to know each other. You never know, despite the vast seas and distance, we Patrick fans may meet each other some day.
Oh yes, Patrick is the ‘persimmon’ of my eye (because I love persimmons).
And SF is right. You are indeed a ‘quiet sort’. Registered since 2009 and only FIVE posts. You can start your catching up in Patrick’s thread.

However had to chase the Canada geese a few times and raccoons have marked their territory on my deck!

Gee what sort of party is that, Emdee? Chasing Canada geese?

Thinking of going to Thornhill next month will see a few people but no PC.

Aww Emdee, do it do it do it! Your procrastination is slowly killing me.

So the first thing you do is press me? Say hello to Fenena! And lakeside. Not sure about l'etoile - she looks like an old friend - say hello to her too. We've got new company.
Now show and tell us about your party.

^^^ Is this a distraction tactic, SF?

[emdee]

I was never worried about Hanyu but now with all these quads plus 3A he is beginning to frighten me. Of course he will need nerves of steel and I dont go for all those bursting into tears.

[spikydurian]

I was never worried about Hanyu but now with all these quads plus 3A he is beginning to frighten me. Of course he will need nerves of steel and I dont go for all those bursting into tears.

Ohmmmm Emdee. All skaters will do their best be they Hanyu, Dai, Han Yan, Jeremy, Weir, Gashinki, Plushenko etc. Patrick just need to concentrate on stretching himself and not think about what others will do. And that's what he has been doing all these years - do what he had done in practice. We already know quads and 3A are a must for the world stage and there are more than a handful getting these two jumps.

[emdee]

Spiky,

Yes Quads and 3As are a must but Hanyu is doing a Quad followed by a 3A - Cannot recall the point values but it will be phenomenal.
Patty will have to do 2 Quads plus 2 3As to add up.

[l'etoile]

I gotta ask, does Patrick have any ice shows to skate any sooner?

[Bluebonnet]

So looks like Patrick is keeping us on the edge of a bench for a little longer, isn't he? Well, I think Patrick and his parents are not just athletic, but also smart people. So Patrick should be fine at last.

[lakeside]

Hey I can be as good at starting rumour as anybody. If the haterz can insist on rewriting history and twisting records I certainly am entitled to tell future history and records.

Is this what you saw on the other board? I get that some people don’t like Patrick’s artistry etc., but rewriting history and twisting records… Ohmmmmmm.

Yes Quads and 3As are a must but Hanyu is doing a Quad followed by a 3A - Cannot recall the point values but it will be phenomenal.
Patty will have to do 2 Quads plus 2 3As to add up.

You know you would only get 80% of points if you do jumps ending with 3a. Some people think this rule is stupid, but in this case it means Hanyu can’t do those jumps at competitions. Even though 4t-3a and 4s-3a are phenomenal jumps, he can’t do them at competions because he would only get 80% of the points for doing them. That kid loves to do hard jumps, but he can only do them at shows.

[emdee]

Thanks lakeside I thought I was reading wrong. But if the rule changes....

Lakeside is a true blue fan standing up for PC against the haterz!

[crosses9]

I gotta ask, does Patrick have any ice shows to skate any sooner?

Yes, he does, he will attend Yuna Kim's All that skate summer ice show in Korea at Aug 24-26.

[l'etoile]

Yes, he does, he will attend Yuna Kim's All that skate summer ice show in Korea at Aug 24-26.

That's still a month away!:(

[emdee]

Welcome crosses9..... our little group of fans is growing!

[SkateFiguring]

Ah, I had a fun day swimming with the sharks today, snatching a few morsels in the markets, so I could only take a couple of glances at Patrick and his dear fans. Ok, there was an almost jittery moment for me this evening, but not about the sharks or Patrick. I imagine y'all have been keeping up the Ohmmmm while waiting for the Kingdom yet to come.

You know you would only get 80% of points if you do jumps ending with 3a. Some people think this rule is stupid, but in this case it means Hanyu can’t do those jumps at competitions. Even though 4t-3a and 4s-3a are phenomenal jumps, he can’t do them at competions because he would only get 80% of the points for doing them. That kid loves to do hard jumps, but he can only do them at shows.

I think this is because this is not a true combination but a sequence.

Spiky,

Yes Quads and 3As are a must but Hanyu is doing a Quad followed by a 3A - Cannot recall the point values but it will be phenomenal.
Patty will have to do 2 Quads plus 2 3As to add up.

COP is not very jump combo friendly so a strong competitor has to be smart about how to combine jumps to get maximum points. E.g. A quad+3A means loss of potential GOE value because each of these jumps has the highest GOE values but doing both in a combo will net only the same GOE as doing one of them, or even a reduced value if one of the jumps is inferior. To explain with examples, each GOE point is worth 1 point if scored on a quad or 3A. So a skater can add a maximum 3 points to the BV of a perfect quad or 3A. Adding a jump, be it 2T or another quad or 3A, does not add more GOE value but incurs the risk of fewer GOE points due to a less well executed jump in the combo. The purpose of doing a jump combo is to repeat the highest value jump, allowed only in one solo and one combo. If a skater combines his two highest value jumps, it is difficult to repeat both of them, because only one more 2 jump combo is allowed and the other has to be in a 3 jump combo. 3T is usually the highest value jump to tack on a first jump but itself cannot be repeated. So one of the combo has to use lowly double jumps. To illustrate in numbers:

4T, 4T+3T, 3A, 3A+2T have total BV of 10.30 + 14.40 + 8.5 + 9.8 = 43. The maximum GOE value will be 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 12. A potential maximum total score of 55.

4T+3A, 4T, 3A, 3T+2T will have total BV of 18.80X0.8 + 10.3 + 8.5 + 5.4 = 39.24. The maximum GOE value will be 3 + 3 +3 + 2.1 = 11.1. Total maximum score = 50.34.

It would be particularly stupid to have 20% of one's two highest value jumps deducted!

Is this what you saw on the other board? I get that some people don’t like Patrick’s artistry etc., but rewriting history and twisting records… Ohmmmmmm.

You are obviously so new here and missed all the times I compiled and showed data to quiet the myth spreaders, only temporarily at best.

That's still a month away!:(

But I will be here to decode the message of his new show program if he has one.

Oooh, welcome crosses9, ohmmmm with us if you can't follow the directive of Don't Worry, Be Happy.

[emdee]

Thanks SF for the explanation.
Glad I dont have to hold my breath any more shall go back to saying ohmmmmmmmmmmm

On another note - do I buy RIM now that PW owns so much? Lost my shirt on it already but if he is averaging....
Then the two of us (Prem and me) can say ohmmmmmm together!

[SkateFiguring]

Thanks SF for the explanation.
Glad I dont have to hold my breath any more shall go back to saying ohmmmmmmmmmmm

Breathe deeply and don't hold your breath! Patrick is King because there ain't nobody to beat him in three scoring criteria: TES, PCS, and Competitiveness. He never gives up any part of his program no matter what happens. He never loses more than a fraction of a second for any mistake. He skates the highest level program with no room for error but he won't back down from such standard. No one else in the World is doing that.

On another note - do I buy RIM now that PW owns so much? Lost my shirt on it already but if he is averaging....
Then the two of us (Prem and me) can say ohmmmmmm together!

Market volatility is my friend but your enemy. Step back for a few weeks if you don't have nerves like Patrick's.