12-13-2012, 01:21 PM
Above two links, you can watch the different between Patrick Chan and Javier fernandez, in skating skill, speed, ice coverage, body movement. I don't think Chan rob the bronze medal.
12-13-2012, 01:55 PM
My question is... will Lori take him back?
12-13-2012, 02:18 PM
Did Lori and Christy come in a package?
12-13-2012, 02:27 PM
No, he didn't. I prefer a well-balanced program. Fernandez is not well-balanced in my mind. There is a huge gap between his jumping abilities and skating abilities. If we use a scoring system that emphasizes balance among skills (e.g., Total Score = TES × PCS), the gap between the two skaters will be great enough to tell you that Chan's 0.04 win was not because of "luck".
Originally Posted by crosses9
12-13-2012, 05:52 PM
I've always liked Fernandez, even before he broke out to be a top contender. He has a lot of charm and personality on ice but he hasn't explored beyond portrayal of iconic characters who are almost caricatures. Patrick, OTOH, has expressed his artistry in various ways: to pure music, about passion (POTO) and fun and young love (Take 5), and story telling such as La Boheme. Compared to Aranjuez, La Boheme is easier to appreciate and enjoy as it portrays different emotions in various stages of a story. Patrick's Aranjuez, however, is ethereal and spiritual, expressing with skating the evolution of a mind. I wonder who else has the skills and artistry for such a program? It's a masterpiece by Lori and Patrick.
Lori is a champions' choreographer for good reasons. She really works with each skater to optimally utilize their skills and unique performance qualities to create a program they can excel in with the most ease. She is a proven champion maker.
Lori had been with Patrick since he was very young, described as his mother on ice. She is a certified coach and did a lot more than choreographing for him. When Krall took over from Law, she and Lori were co-coaches for Patrick, taking care of technical and artistic side of his skating. But Lori started keeping a low profile, not showing up in K&C, probably because of criticism about her influence in judging. I suppose Lori and Christy became a package politically when conflicts arose within Team Chan. But Lori and Patrick have a long history in their relationship beyond teaming up with Krall. It is a good thing that Patrick tries other choreographers in his growth, but for the Olympics, I hope he will be back with the champion maker, his long time friend and mentor, the one and only Lori Nichol.
Originally Posted by starryxskies
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 12-13-2012 at 05:59 PM.
12-13-2012, 08:37 PM
SF ... I hope and pray that you are correct.
On another note... yeah I will see him skate tomorrow.
12-14-2012, 12:12 AM
Saw the show in Stratford tonight, was fun, I had never seen live FS before. Patrick performed his Kingdom Come and new "I Need A Dollar" ex, the one with the hat. He was great, but I honestly think he must be so tired, both physically and mentally, not to mention the jet lag! He just didn't seem as fast or skate as big, although maybe that has something to do with being in a smaller arena??? He still had his smiles though and I was so happy to see him skate! In fact, I have to say, seeing our 4 World Champions skating together (and alone) was just plain awesome, I'm so proud of all of them and it's amazing that they're all SO incredibly different with regards to their styles. Very impressive.
Honorable mention goes to Elvis, he skated to My Sharona and it was so much fun, it really took me back to when he used to compete, even though he wasn't the most artistic, he was powerful, and he still is. My mom was like: "he's still got it". He also did a more lyrical skate to a Christmas song that I should really remember, but for the life of me cannot. It was very nice, lots of breaks, but nice just the same.
And Kurt did Singing in the Rain, he's just so damn cute and entertaining, I can't believe he still does this!!!
Oh, and of course Jeff did a fantastic job, seriously, I wish he still competed, I miss his artistry!
12-14-2012, 04:05 AM
Here's the four World Champs.
Thanks SGrand for the update. Much appreciated. I would have love to be there to watch those great skaters ..everyone of them. And you are so right. They have different styles and are well known for certain characteristics: Browning for his personality and jumps, Elvis for his powerful skate and jumps, Buttle for his artistry, and Patrick for his bladework. I would have love to be able to watch these four male skaters. And I think Elvis seems to better looking now than when he was younger.
How was Christopher Dean's hat program? Did Patrick drop the hat? Hope not.. particularly if there's not enough practice following a hectic competition just a week earlier.
12-14-2012, 04:47 AM
Thanks SGrand for sharing ! I hope there will be video Join Spikydurian's question - How was new EX ? Did you liked it ?
12-14-2012, 06:10 AM
Your report too, emdee.. please. Photos will be good, if any.
Originally Posted by emdee
Lori watched Patrick grew up and I would love to believe that a relationship which span nearly or more than 10 years should be less brittle and more enduring. We cannot make sincere and lasting relationships and friendships if we cannot appreciate the goodness in each other whilst accepting the shortfall that comes with human nature. I remember Patrick saying that 'Lori and him are still friends' ..(something to this effect). It was part of the interview at the Skate Canada training camp recently. I do not know why he said that ..maybe someone posed him a question in relation to Lori.
And I agree with you, SF, that the next season is very crucial to preparing for Sochi 2014. PJ Kwong's recent article emphasized the need to be well prepared, and I hope Patrick knows that he cannot mug around any more if he seriously want to medal in Sochi. I am still dreaming of another killer foot/blade work skate from Patrick, his signature skill IMO.
12-14-2012, 06:12 AM
SGrand, thanks for sharing! I hope to see his new EX. How was it? Is this his new costume?
Many fans there are saying "Patrick is sexy, good looking!" on twitter
12-14-2012, 07:09 AM
New Ex was really good and he looks great! Costume was black with red accents and a black and red baseball cap. He was so cute, I think he missed a trick with the hat where he kind of flicks it off his foot and catches it.....I'm not sure, I was trying to get a pic lol, but when he ended, he then did the trick and more little hat 'illusions' and was having fun with it. I've always liked that song, but it is repetitive after a while lol. He looks so trim and fit live too (not that he doesn't on TV, but sometimes the TV can be a little distorting), I even didn't mind his pants that he wears for Kingdom Come, they may have actually been a different pair because they seems a little longer and fitted.......or maybe I'm just crazy lol. I thought he was awesome and the crowd was super receptive and cheered lots. His jumps were great for the most part too, only maybe two jumps with either a forward or step out landing, but they all had that. Like I said, I think he must be insanely tired, I don't know how he couldn't be at this time of the year in competition. I'm sure he's had better performances, but I was still impressed and really want to try and go to Nat's in January. Oh, and he had one little slip up during a slow, almost stopped part of KC, it was very 'Patrick' heehee, but he just laughed and and shrugged his shoulders and was a good sport.
Spikydurian, yes, Elvis looks way better now, although I'm sure we all do since the 90's was not the prettiest decade LOL! He was honestly so so good and did a HUGE double axle (I realize that sounds funny, it's only a double lol, but it was BIG and he's not the youngest kid ). And of course he did his tricks and some hydro-blading which was pretty cool and his connection with the audience seems to have grown too!
Was anyone else there? I could have sworn that the announcer introduced Jeff as "Olympic Gold Medalist"! I could be wrong, but that's what it sounded like to my Mom and I haha!
I have some pics, but the next few days are crazy for me so I probably won't get them up until sunday or monday. They're not the greatest, but at least you'll get an idea.
Have fun to everyone else who's going to the other shows!!!!
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12-14-2012, 07:27 AM
Wicked Yankee Girl
Which show was this, Holiday Festival on Ice?
12-14-2012, 07:42 AM
Celebration on Ice
12-14-2012, 09:41 AM
Wow so much to look forward to today. I am home too so having a lovely day meeting friends.
My camera is really slow soI can never get the pics. Sorry. I dont think they will allow the big cameras or DD could have taken hers. I am sure that Kurt files will have pics soon by Teenes.