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    exactly, same goes for any country with its comeback icons/stars
    but I agree, Zhenya needs more time and improvement for PCS , but given its his first competition
    maybe he opt not to have everything yet, he did say he is still needs to work on improvements and has a lot of catching up to do with the young ones. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by havefun View Post
    With all due respect Plushenko was gifted. Jump landings ok. Rotation good. No edges in his crossovers and nothing between elements except showboating. I don't understand that the russian federation are encouraging this type of skating by their men ??? Plushy needs to work on PCS. It is more important this season than ever.
    It will be interesting to see what the international judges will do with this.

    I'd leave a gigantic gap on the PCS between Plushenko and skaters like Chan, Takahashi or Abbott, who have much more complex programs and much more relation to the music.

    That will surely not happen.

    But what will?

    Will they mark him equally with them? Or only a little lower (like in Vancouver)?

    I'm sure that Plushenko would have skated Zhulin's program (or another more complex program) if he was capable of that. But he's only recently returned after injury, he hasn't trained competitively for a long time, his stamina is surely nowhere near good enough to allow that (why else would he have skated an empty program, given the criticism he has faced in the past on the PCS front).

    He won't have much competition at Euros though, given how inconsistent Joubert and Amodio have been of late (well in case of Joubert, before his injury, he's only competed once this season).

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    The program was a bit empty but the music had some nice accents.
    But you reward what the skater does and not the music.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    His 3A is as good as it can get. Nobody does it better than him
    Hanyu does. From very difficult entries too (right off a choctaw IIRC and right off a spread eagle).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Plushenko's program was totally empty. Basic choreography, no transitions, skated right through the music.

    His jump technique is incredible and he can still land his stuff but as far as PCS go, this is even less of an effort than his Vancouver programs.
    I agree... the sp is basic too and so 90´s and in the step sequence he looks like crazy. I don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    ^

    exactly, same goes for any country with its comeback icons/stars
    but I agree, Zhenya needs more time and improvement for PCS , but given its his first competition
    maybe he opt not to have everything yet, he did say he is still needs to work on improvements and has a lot of catching up to do with the young ones. lol
    Too bad Russian judges aren't giving him that message...with those PCS scores they're basically saying he's miles ahead of everyone else...

    on the other hand, Artur's program was choreographically much better balanced/laid out from the very beginning, but he skated it badly on the GP and at times seemd to be going through the movements...international judges dinged him in PCS and now he's worked really hard on it. Now mid-season Artur's program is very smooth and he really seemed to get into the vampire/demon character he's supposed to be portraying, taking time with the choreographic accents and all...and unfortunately Russian judges are scoring him far below Plushenko's brand new program...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    He won't have much competition at Euros though, given how inconsistent Joubert and Amodio have been of late (well in case of Joubert, before his injury, he's only competed once this season).
    Fernandez has been getting LP scores in the 160s though, and isn't that the equivalent of about 190 at Russian Nats? Whether he can handle the pressure as a (the?) favorite is another matter.

    There's also the Czech guys, and possibly Gachinski - and Joubert is a wildcard, considering his lack of international appearances so far this season and the injury issues. There's no telling what kind of shape he'll show up in, physically or mentally.

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    Ugh, I lost the competition..and the ladies. I suppose Elisaveta kept the RN sp trend and Adelina and Julia rocked it!
    Plushy and Arthur , yey!
    I wish Bush instead of Voronov too, I hope somehow he is sent to Euros. There are no video of men, why?

    Arthur program is much much better than the Gp season. Elegant costume also!
    And i like Plushy new jump sequence and the 3 combo! SPins are slow but he has new, thats something to learn at that age.
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    Evgeni PLUSHENKO LP: http://youtu.be/LiWT4t5agzs

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    It will be interesting to see what kind of scores Plushenko gets internationally for that kind of effort. I sure hope it's not very high...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    Seriously, I feel like vomiting (already have a slight flu). Not knowing is the worst thing in the world. WHAT'S HAPPENING!?!
    Dont worry. All you missed was toe picking around the ice with a hunchback and flailing arms, between jumps.

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    I liked Gachinsky's free program, he is getting into it and each competition his skate is improvement over the previous one. I only hope he will not make any mistake at European Championships, he may have chance to win a medal.
    I am disappointed in Plushchenko. His program seems quite empty, also it does not have much relation to music. I am surprised that he got such a good marks, on the other hand, perhaps I am not, after all he is a legend.

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    I thought Plushenko's performance was great. If he had better music (especially in the short program) his choreography, etc., would seem better.

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