Ladies Competition

**alexeifan** · 12-27-2011, 04:40 PM

Polina video is now added: http://dickflutzn.blogspot.com/2011/...ins-short.html

**bsfan** · 12-27-2011, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by burntBREAD

Yes, I really dislike the program too, I'm just making a point as to why someone could receive high PCS with low TES.

Thanks for explaining it. Guess I didn't make my question clear. My point was: if one did badly on technical side, then it was very unlikely that she wasn't distracted by those errors and so she couldn't present the program very well. I know there are several items in PCS. But at least some scores should be lower. So I was wondering if Makarova really did that well on PCS items.

**burntBREAD** · 12-27-2011, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by bsfan

Thanks for explaining it. Guess I didn't make my question clear. My point was: if one did badly on technical side, then it was very unlikely that she wasn't distracted by those errors and so she couldn't present the program very well. I know there are several items in PCS. But at least some scores should be lower. So I was wondering if Makarova really did that well on PCS items.

Well...I don't think so (and others do too). Her choreography in this program is awful, which negatively affects PE, IN, and CH.

**havefun** · 12-27-2011, 05:21 PM

It is a shame Makarova doesnt have a better long. Personaly I think her short when skated as it was yesterday is up with Czisny and Kostner. It has complicated transitions. She just now seems to be getting comfortable with it. I also think she is a little disadvantaged when competing in Russia. The international judges have always received her well. She had a rough start to the season but seems to be building steam.

**alexeifan** · 12-27-2011, 05:41 PM

Just added Anna O to the video list.

**sky_fly20** · 12-27-2011, 05:58 PM

the videos are up
Good Quality Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/LenaElika/videos

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Adelina Sotnikova

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJRDP...IYbA1WNuY7tZpn

Julia Lipnitskaya

**chuckm** · 12-27-2011, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by havefun

It is a shame Makarova doesnt have a better long. Personaly I think her short when skated as it was yesterday is up with Czisny and Kostner. It has complicated transitions. She just now seems to be getting comfortable with it. I also think she is a little disadvantaged when competing in Russia. The international judges have always received her well. She had a rough start to the season but seems to be building steam.

Why would she be "disadvantaged" competing in Russia? She was born in Russia to Russian parents. Though the entire family moved to the US to open a skating school, she's always spoken Russian at home and has said that she considers herself Russian, not American. She returned to Russia more than a year ago to live and train permanently.

**alexeifan** · 12-27-2011, 06:01 PM

Russian Nationals
Ladies Final Results:

1st Place Adelina Sotnikova MOS 193.71 1, 2
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJRDP...IYbA1WNuY7tZpn

2nd Julia Lipnitskaya MOS 191.65 3, 1
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMX5YbLKRNQ

3rd Alena Leonova SPB 178.15 5, 3
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkNWWyHukzU

4th Ksenia Makarova SPB 175.49 2, 6
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_VMXKCnEiE

5th J Elena Radionova MOS 174.81 6, 5
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD-l3eOREk4

6th J Elizabeth Tuktamysheva SPB 174.40 7, 4
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORMj7-XQ1qk

7th Pauline Korobeinikova MOS 165.57 8, 9
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZwSPWhFHqE

8th Evgenia Medvedeva MOS 161.74 11, 8
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5MtrrHD3ac

9th Sophia BIRYUKOVA MOS 156.11 4, 14

10th Pauline Shelepen MOS 154.78 17, 7
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehL2NpKY68I

11th Anna Shershakov MOS 152.11 9, 13
12th Eugene GERASIMOVA SPB 152.02 13, 10
13th Maria Artemiev SPB 148.44 10, 15

14th Pauline AGAFONOVA SPB 148.14 15, 11
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x0vY46i1dw

15th Alexander Deev MOS 144.50 12, 16

16th Sophia MISHIN MOS 143.74 16, 12
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZt_eg1rQo

17th Anna Ovcharovo MOS 134.67 14, 18
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ehTK4Vbt4

18th Maria Stavitsky SPB 130.72 18, 17
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZNMdojY7Sw

more will be updated: http://dickflutzn.blogspot.com/2011/...ins-short.html

**SkateFiguring** · 12-27-2011, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by chuckm

Why would she be "disadvantaged" competing in Russia? She was born in Russia to Russian parents. Though the entire family moved to the US to open a skating school, she's always spoken Russian at home and has said that she considers herself Russian, not American. She returned to Russia more than a year ago to live and train permanently.

I think she's disadvantaged in that in Russia she has to compete against a strong field domestically to land an international spot, especially for Worlds. Many American skaters with dual citizenship skate for other countries to have a better chance but Makarova is switching to a nation with a full house of top contenders.

**alexeifan** · 12-27-2011, 06:30 PM

Alena L is now added

UPDATE: JULIA has been added

**Mrs. P** · 12-27-2011, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by SkateFiguring

I think she's disadvantaged in that in Russia she has to compete against a strong field domestically to land an international spot, especially for Worlds. Many American skaters with dual citizenship skate for other countries to have a better chance but Makarova is switching to a nation with a full house of top contenders.

She's also been lucky that so many of the skaters above her are still too young to compete at Worlds. With the exception of her breakout season in 2010, she hasn't really put herself in a position to go to Worlds.

**alexeifan** · 12-27-2011, 06:56 PM

have just bout all the videos up above ^, just not adelina and ksenia yet. Of course the only ones I want to see aren't up yet

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**sky_fly20** · 12-27-2011, 08:36 PM

http://www.goldenskate.com/2011/12/s...ational-title/

some interesting quotes
reason Alena needs to switch coach, she is getting tackier with him

The student of Nikolai Morozov claimed that she never intended to withdraw from the event despite rumors that were circulating prior to the event.

“In Canada, I had heard that my coach almost arranged a bye for me,” Leonova explained. “I was very surprised. I had always intended to compete at nationals, so as soon as I came back, I told him as much.”

you think Mishin is pushing Lisa too much ? LOL

:sheesh:

“I do not know what happened,” said the 2011 Russian Junior champion. “I guess I was tired. In all my career in figure skating, I have never had so many competitions before the Russian Nationals. At first, it was easy for me to skate, but then I realized that I was running out of steam.”

“I hope that I will be able to take a rest now, even though my coach has already told me that he expects me at practice first thing in the morning on December 31st,” Tuktamysheva said. “I do hope it is a joke.”

**havefun** · 12-27-2011, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by chuckm

Why would she be "disadvantaged" competing in Russia? She was born in Russia to Russian parents. Though the entire family moved to the US to open a skating school, she's always spoken Russian at home and has said that she considers herself Russian, not American. She returned to Russia more than a year ago to live and train permanently.

She went to school in the US her whole life and only in January moved to Russia to train, where she also takes online college classes from a US college. As a previous poster noted she is no different than any other american skater, skating for another federation. In addition the competition from up coming skaters appears to be stronger than any other country??? Anyways. Given she has had an injury, cultural and coaching change over the last year, I think she is doing very well.

**Olympia** · 12-27-2011, 09:01 PM

And the U.S. couldn't hold onto her? She would have been an asset over here.

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