Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 66

Thread: Plushenko and Europeans

  1. #16
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    4,964
    No surpise that the ISU is allowing Plushenko in Euro, even if I can't read Russian to understand the logic or logistics. I agree with the decision whether it's for marketing or, more importantly, for remedying unintended application of the rules. I agree with Buttercup re Plushenko's effect on broadcasting and ticket sales of the event but no matter what he puts out on the ice, Plushenko The Legend draws attention and is always newsworthy and that's always good for the ISU and the sport.

  2. #17
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    24,589
    I, too, wish I could read Russian. It is a slippery slope to set aside, for an exceptional individual, qualifying rules that apply to everyone.
    Last edited by Mathman; 12-30-2011 at 06:03 PM.

  3. #18
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    6,384
    If Plushenko is allowed to skate at Euros, that will set him up for the pre-Olympic season.

    He will be on the SB list.

    His World Ranking will go up. A top 6 at Euros could move him up into the low 30s.

    He may not want to go to Worlds 2012 because he's really not quite ready for that. And a top 12 Worlds finish would mean he'd have to do 2 GP events next season. He's never wanted to do more than CoR.

    If he is really serious about Sochi, though, he will compete at Worlds 2013.

  4. #19
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Posts
    4,964
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I, too, wish I could read Russian. It is a slippery slope to set aside , for an exception individual, qualifying rules that apply to everyone.
    I'm guessing they go by some rule we are not aware of, a loophole if you will, which should apply to someone else in the same situation, with or without legend status.

  5. #20
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    3,056
    I think it is a pity that there is such a rule, but since there is, it should apply to every skater. Otherwise it has no sense to have rules, if exceptions are being allowed.
    Last edited by Jaana; 12-30-2011 at 01:09 PM.

  6. #21
    leave no stone unturned seniorita's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    5,215
    Buttercup I didnt claim sales will go up since Plushenko appears anywhere, the answer to this is I dont know what he could do to Euros tickets and there is no way I could possibly guess or know.

    I dont read russian either but with google translate article translates clear. So far articles reproduce what has been reported in media, the last day of competition when RF applied for Plushenko or whatever.

    the main paragraph says
    ..."Yesterday, as soon as we returned from Saransk, with the championship of Russia , was prepared by treatment of ISU to allow Plushenko to take part in the European Championships - told Gorshkov told "F-Sport" on the phone. - President ISU Ottavio Chinkvanta reported that the Board of ISU responded positively to our request. "...
    Since i ve seen a tone of articles the last couple of days, i think until ISU posts sth in its page nothing has been decided.
    Concidering the injury, I had lost track the automn about Plush surgery/injury but I know he was reinjured after summer because he went on the ice earlier and he cancelled Japan open and Carnival on ice because of it.

    I m guessing that if ISU does this, it would do it for any top skater who didnt have B event to compete. I believe RF would apply the same request for V/T if there was no Mont Blanc possibility last March, and personally it would be shame not to see them last year at worlds.
    Last edited by seniorita; 12-30-2011 at 04:31 PM.

  7. #22
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    24,589
    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    I'm guessing they go by some rule we are not aware of,...
    No doubt. They probably also have a rule that says, "The ISU Council retains the right to rescind and/or grant exceptions to any rule in cases where said rule, in the judgement of the ISU President and Council, works to the disadvantage, financial or otherwise, of the International Skating Union and its Members."

    At least, if I were writing the constitution and by-laws, I would stick that in.

  8. #23
    leave no stone unturned seniorita's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    5,215
    The ISU Council retains the right to rescind and/or grant exceptions to any rule...
    Doesnt this rule exists already?
    Deep inside I have the impression that ISU and PLu have a secret contract to make a soap opera in the future. Imagine, the poor background boy that fought to the top that became ISU favorite in 2006,but then became a bad kid with big mouth that Ciquanta was not so flattering about in 2010 Olys, the disqualification and then reistatement and now forgiving ISU make him favors, really I think it would be more catchy than The Young and the Restless.

  9. #24
    Custom Title skateluvr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    1,751
    Quote Originally Posted by Mattieu View Post
    The ISU has agreed to let Plushenko participate in Europeans according to this Russian article:
    http://sport.ria.ru/figure_skating/2...530029661.html
    Can Vasho1 or someone who is Russian translate this article? Thanks.

  10. #25
    Custom Title DianaSelene's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    1,109
    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Can Vasho1 or someone who is Russian translate this article? Thanks.
    This is not exact but I'll give it a try.

    "9-time Russian champion Evgeny Plushenko can take part in the 2012 European championships says Alexander Gorshkov, president of the Russian figure skating federation. The 2006 olympic champion has only skated in Russian nationals this year and does not have enough points from international competitions to go to European championships. The federation sent a letter to ISU asking it to let him go to the championship. Gorshkov says, 'Today, I got a message from Cinquanta who said that ISU is allowing him to compete at Euros. Plushenko is an exception. The reason there is a new rule this year about minimum points is to filter out weak skaters so that they don't go to euros and worlds. They do that so that there is a higher level of skating at these events. However, Plushenko is obviously not a weak skater.' "

    I left out some unimportant parts.

  11. #26
    Custom Title demarinis5's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    4,480
    ^Thank you.

  12. #27
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    24,589
    Make sense. Rules, like taxes, are for the little people.

  13. #28
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    2,473
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    I think it is a pity that there is such a rule, but since there is, it should apply to every skater. Otherwise it has no sense to have rules, if exceptions are being allowed.
    I have no problem with making exceptions to the legendary skater like Plushenko. Applying to every skater is no brainer and doctrinism.

  14. #29
    Custom Title let`s talk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Japan
    Posts
    2,060
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Make sense. Rules, like taxes, are for the little people.
    LOL.! Riches pay way more taxes than "little people" who you are talking here about. Plush already contributed in FS more than any "little skater" for whom the said rule was originally created. That would be really embarrasing, if not to say stupid, if ISU came up with the resolution "that guy doesn't go". That would be fun indeed. Now- things are normal.

  15. #30
    Off the ice Buttercup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Left field
    Posts
    3,080
    As far as I can see, the only source confirming that the ISU has granted an exemption is not the actual ISU (I bet they're all on vacation ). There may not be any official decision yet. I'm not sure what's the right thing to do here. I think there needs to be an exemption for some cases (for instance, if Laura Lepisto were to return, I don't think she should have to go through this qualifying score stuff, either). But since there is no exemption in the rules as written, I'm kind of uncomfortable with applying the requirements selectively. Maybe the best solution is for Plushy to take a break, get the medical treatment he needs, do a senior B in February and skate at Worlds - or even wait until next season, if he needs a longer rehab period.

    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Buttercup I didnt claim sales will go up since Plushenko appears anywhere, the answer to this is I dont know what he could do to Euros tickets and there is no way I could possibly guess or know.
    I know that I was just explaining my Skate America comparison...
    Last edited by Buttercup; 12-31-2011 at 03:21 AM.

Page 2 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •