Men - Free Program

[Bluebonnet]

You are taking my words out of context. All I said was "Daisuke didn't get over 200 in his LP" with no mentions or implications of PChan's performance and interpretation being "crappy" (it was very good). But I see where "let's talk" is coming from, for a performance "worth" 200 points, some of the landings were not the cleanest. And also, I am not still not buying Patrick's interpretation of the music....he doesn't seem to "feel" the music, rather skates to the music instead. If Daisuke scored over 200 points with his National LP...boy, that would stirr a lot of controversy. But Daisuke won on the merit of his SP - brilliant performance, and not this LP alone (he was only ranked third).

@jettasian, don't understand why you have to be so defensive....you just jumped to conclusions.

Who's taking whose words out of context?! I was refering to let's talk's comment about her calling Chan's LP "crappy". You took my words and said,

But Daisuke didnt get over 200 in his LP........

That could only be interpreted as supporting let's talk's position on calling Chan's clean LP "crappy", also meaning that because Dai's LP didn't get over 200, so Dai's three-fall LP couldn't be called "crappy".

[spikydurian]

What it all boils down to is that he is a 21 yr old who is happy with the skate he put out and with his scores. My take on it after seeing both programs is that he deserved every point!!!!! Those with sour grapes to spread around can go eat them.

Agree ... eat sour grapes or sour sops

[Ravensque]

Wasn't it Kurt Browning who landed the first Quad in competition? Not Elvis Stoiko? Although I believe that Stoiko landed the first quad combination. Stoiko was a great jumper, but his programs were very empty of anything else as far as I can recall.

[ciocio]

Wasn't it Kurt Browning who landed the first Quad in competition? Not Elvis Stoiko? Although I believe that Stoiko landed the first quad combination. Stoiko was a great jumper, but his programs were very empty of anything else as far as I can recall.

Kurt landed the first quad, Elvis the first quad combos.

[SkateFiguring]

What turns me off about Stojko's comments over the last few years about Chan is not because he criticizes Chan but because it reveals a character I dislike. It reflects more of his own insecurity in seeing the necessity in emphasizing and elevating his own strengths while ignoring or devaluing greatness in what he lacks, much like a mother-in-law I knew who was a housewife and extremely critical of her daughter-in-law's housekeeping without ever acknowledging her intelligence, kindness, and career success, not to mention being so much more a looker than the old lady and not at all messy at home.

[ciocio]

It reflects more of his own insecurity in seeing the necessity in emphasizing and elevating his own strengths while ignoring or devaluing greatness in what he lacks, much like a mother-in-law I knew who was a housewife and extremely critical of her daughter-in-law's housekeeping without ever acknowledging her intelligence, kindness, and career success, not to mention being so much more a looker than the old lady and not at all messy at home.

What a pity Stojko doesn´t have a 20 years old daughter !!!!

In fact, Stojko is not that special, how many times did you hear "quads are not important" from skaters who weren´t successful in landing quads? A lot of skaters will be terrible fathers in law!!!!!

[SkateFiguring]

What a pity Stojko doesn´t have a 20 years old daughter !!!!

Patrick as Elvis' son-in-law?

[ciocio]

Oh, boy imagine that!!!!

Wait a minute, I´ve read the article and Elvis doesn´t say very bad things about patrick, he was harsher in the past.

[SkateFiguring]

I can only hope Elvis' future daughter will never marry a figure skater! Unless he is the first Man to succeed in jumping a quint.

[Florian]

I see nothing wrong in what Stojko said. It is rather a reaction to the praises of the others, calling Chan the best skater ever. We know which part of figure skating matters the most to Stojko and it is his right to think that way. For him the best skater ever has to be technically far above all, which also means doing jumps and combinations and spins that have not already been shown 12 years ago.

Nobody would complain if Chan got 270 points or so, but reaching 300 subjectively demands more, for Stoijko and people who judge figure skating like he does. He is quite right though in saying that Chan is "the poster child of the new scoring system, with the ability to chalk up points with all facets of skating."

[skatinginbc]

Just came back from my Chinese New Year celebration: Clams, shrimps and lobsters dipped in butter and wasabi sauce, thin-crust dumplings fried to a golden color, crispy browned duck, spicy red crabs, salmon, tuna, squid....And of course I went to the casinos (plural)...hehe, I lost as expected by the odds.

I didn't realize that 4CC will be held in Colorado Springs when I wrote my remark. In this case. Chan is obliged to attend.

The reason I wrote about Chan's speech is because I finally accepted that it is the way he speaks. I gave him only the benefit of doubt when people said his thought process followed a "stream of consciousness", which sounded like an excuse for damage control. This time there was no controversy and I found his thought process consistent with those that had generated controversies. One may argue that his way of speech is a weakness because it can easily get him into trouble. And I will say "I agree". On the other hand, one may also argue that it is what makes him all the more charming. And I will say "yes, it is true as well". The judgement is subjective depending on the value system of each individual. There is no right or wrong. All I wanted to show was: Hey, I just discovered that it is indeed the way he speaks.

?? both the thread and your posts are all visible ??

I'm glad that the Men Short Program thread is back. I was in the process of writing a complaint about a crazy post which I deemed extremely inappropriate when the thread suddenly disappeared. It would have been well within expectation if the said post was deleted. But to remove the whole thread from sight because of it was rather unusual and therefore provoked wild imaginations. Anyway, I'm glad it is back.

[Mathman]

It would have been well within expectation if the said post was deleted. But to remove the whole thread from sight because of it was rather unusual...

Sometimes one hits the wrong button by mistake.

About Elvis Stojko's comments, I can see where he is coming from. Elvis is not impressed by busy feet. Fifteen years ago Elvis was doing 3F, 4T+3T, 3A+3T, 3Lo, 3A, 3Lz, 3S, 3Lz+2T. It has taken a decade and a half just to get men's figure skating back to comparable jump content. So why should Elvis be going bananas at the wonder of it all? Let Chan do a quad-quad and we can talk.

Of course Elvis did nothing between jumps but rest.

[SkateFiguring]

I haven't seen Elvis champion the cause for Kevin Reynolds.

[jettasian]

I see nothing wrong in what Stojko said. It is rather a reaction to the praises of the others, calling Chan the best skater ever. We know which part of figure skating matters the most to Stojko and it is his right to think that way. For him the best skater ever has to be technically far above all, which also means doing jumps and combinations and spins that have not already been shown 12 years ago.

Nobody would complain if Chan got 270 points or so, but reaching 300 subjectively demands more, for Stoijko and people who judge figure skating like he does. He is quite right though in saying that Chan is "the poster child of the new scoring system, with the ability to chalk up points with all facets of skating."

Stojko just sounds bitter for whatever reason. I guess he's never considered one of the best ever? I think Chan is on his way to become one of the best, if not the best skater ever. He still has many more to come. Where was Mr. Stojko at 21?

So what should have Chan got for the skate then since you don't think he should have gotten 300.

[prettykeys]

What turns me off about Stojko's comments... reflects more of his own insecurity in seeing the necessity in emphasizing and elevating his own strengths while ignoring or devaluing greatness in what he lacks...

We know which part of figure skating matters the most to Stojko...

I share these impressions about Stojko who I don't dislike, but whose comments seem a bit misplaced. I'm glad that Patrick Chan is doing quads and doing them quite well most of the time (and sometimes shockingly well, like the one that ran him into the boards!) but the quads are not the most amazing aspect of Chan's skating. It is his beautiful bladework.

The most exquisite part of his LP at this event was the sequence just before and after his late 3Lutz...right until his spread eagle. I know I'm going to watch this performance many times into the future. That lucky, lucky audience in Moncton!