Takahashi's SP vs. Chan's

[skatinginbc]

I just think you can't spread one foot just as you can't do one-hand clap.

Didn't I tell you I'm a casual fan? I thought that the word "spread" has something to do with "wingspread" referring to the arms spreading apart. Learning new things everyday!

[jettasian]

Probably IN. That's about the closest to artistry in PCS.

I personally don't think Abbott himself's that good, all I see is a sad face. If that's artistry, then so be it.

[jettasian]

I think so, too. Jeremy puts a lot of thought and effort into matching movement with music, as well as into weaving elements and transitional moves into a coherent artistic vision.

In contrast, Patrick seems more happy-go-lucky in throwing stuff out there, relying on his technique to pull it off.

I don't necessarily agree with Jeremy. Chan's Take Five is lighter fare. But if we take the program for what it is and do not try to impose upon it some sort of preconception about what constitutes "art," it is a compact little gem.

I feel that when I watch figure skating, let it be men, women, pairs or dance, many all have this "sad, tragic facial expression". To me, they are ALL THE SAME! If that's artistry, then I'm glad Chan doesn't have that. I don't need to see sad and tragic facial expression in every skate.

[jettasian]

That red shirt is haute couture quality from Tu LY. The drapey silk, the cut, and all the wonderful details speak class. The sparkles added later make it even more outstanding from further without going OTT. The pants, now, is Ly's usual quirkiness and need getting used to or an acquired taste, but they do get attention although some fans happily focus on the low cut of the shirt.

I believe the first time he skated in Japan, the red strips were not on the pants... I preferred without the red stripes...but after seeing it for awhile, I get used to it

[fscric]

It's a different set of costume for Japan Open and I like that more than this official set, wish he had kept that for the competition instead of this one.

[jettasian]

Yes!



It's true! I loved his year-end version of POTO from last year, but this Aranjuez LP is more sophisticated in every way.

I love his red shirt. Didn't quite like it at first, but love it now. Not crazy about the stripes on the pants. I prefer the total black pants so the focus could be on the shirt. Seeing him the way he's perfected his programs in the second season, I do wish he could keep this LP next year. Well, he'll probably keep it whether I wish it or not. And I'm happy to say good-bye to Take Five even though it has captured me recently. I'm looking forward to seeing what new SP he'll bring to us.

As much as I love Aranjuz, I don't know if I want Chan to keep his long program next year, esp if he performs well at World. And I don't want him to be known as repeating programs year after year...

Speaking of Chan's long program, does anyone miss the kick? POTO, he had 2-3 kicks, and in his past programs, he also had kicks, and I thought that's almost like his trade mark. I like his high kick, so it's sad that he doesn't include that in Aranjuz.

[Boeing787]

As much as I love Aranjuz, I don't know if I want Chan to keep his long program next year, esp if he performs well at World. And I don't want him to be known as repeating programs year after year...

Speaking of Chan's long program, does anyone miss the kick? POTO, he had 2-3 kicks, and in his past programs, he also had kicks, and I thought that's almost like his trade mark. I like his high kick, so it's sad that he doesn't include that in Aranjuz.

I don't think the kicks fit in Aranjuez, I am glad Lori didn't include them. Unlike you, I'd rather he keeps this LP for another year. I haven't had enough of it yet!

[SkateFiguring]

OK, my proposal re program selection. Skate brand new SP and LP next season just to prove he can. Comes Olympic season, he can then decide if he will come up with a new masterpiece, or he could pick Aranjuez or next year's program, whichever is his or fans' favorite.

Dilemma resolved.

[Boeing787]

I just reviewed Abbott's and Chan's LP in GPF. Abbott's LP music is not as dramatic as Aranjuez is. The tempo is kinda slow through out the program but he moved rather fast. So sometimes he didn't hit the music. Close to the end, he was actually a couple of seconds behind the music. On the other hand, Lori designed, and Patrick executed (most of the time) moves and steps to match the dramatic music of Aranjuez and its various tempo. Abbott deserverd a lower IN mark than Patrick's.

eta. On a second thought, I think judges do award PCS according to the level of difficulty of the program. For example, the PCS of a short program is generally lower than the LP's. It only makes sense. That could be another reason Abbott's IN is lower than Patrick's.

[emma]

OK, my proposal re program selection. Skate brand new SP and LP next season just to prove he can. Comes Olympic season, he can then decide if he will come up with a new masterpiece, or he could pick Aranjuez or next year's program, whichever is his or fans' favorite.

Dilemma resolved.

This!!!!! seriously!

[Mathman]

I personally don't think Abbott himself's that good, all I see is a sad face. If that's artistry, then so be it.

I just reviewed Abbott's and Chan's LP in GPF. Abbott's LP music is not as dramatic as Aranjuez is. The tempo is kinda slow through out the program but he moved rather fast. So sometimes he didn't hit the music. Closing to the end, he was actually a couple of seconds behind the music. On the other hand, Lori designed, and Patrick executed (most of the time) moves and steps to match the dramatic music of Aranjuez and it's the various tempo. Abbott deserverd a lower IN mark than Patrick's.

Spread your wings, guys, There's lots of good skating out there. I wouldn't want you to kill yourselves in despair once Patrick retires.

Hey, Michelle Kwan moved on and I'm still here.

[SkateFiguring]

Jeremy used to look like he was about to cry when he was starting a program. It was his nerves, not artistry. I only recently realized he had never competed internationally as a junior so that probably had a lot to do with his meltdowns at big international events. He actually is a late bloomer. This season he is calm and settled and appropriately relaxed and happy looking for his SP and any sad or serious look in the LP is really artistic interpretation. His new attitude is doing him good. Since he was very involved in the choreography of this season's programs, his ego says he is more artistic while acknowledging Patrick's skating skills. It's natural for a competitive athlete.

[Boeing787]

Spread your wings, guys, There's lots of good skating out there. I wouldn't want you to kill yourselves in despair once Patrick retires.

Hey, Michelle Kwan moved on and I'm still here.

Don't worry, I am not the loyal type.

[skatinginbc]

OK, my proposal re program selection. Skate brand new SP and LP next season just to prove he can. Comes Olympic season, he can then decide if he will come up with a new masterpiece, or he could pick Aranjuez or next year's program.

Good suggestion. That has been my thinking for many years and yet strangely not many skaters actually did so. Most of them skated to two new programs for the Olympics as if that mattered in scores or reputation.

[Boeing787]

OK, my proposal re program selection. Skate brand new SP and LP next season just to prove he can. Comes Olympic season, he can then decide if he will come up with a new masterpiece, or he could pick Aranjuez or next year's program, whichever is his or fans' favorite.

Dilemma resolved.

I don't think it will happen. Next year he will add another quad to his program, it's vey unlikely he will have time to learn two brand new programs and work on a new quad as well.