Takahashi's SP vs. Chan's

[figureskatingfan22]

Jeremy Abbott actually shares the sentiments most of us have regarding Chan:

Asked what Chan -- who triumphed at the 2011 World Championships by more than 22 points, and handily won the recent Grand Prix Final despite two falls -- does to keep the judges in such thrall, Abbott paused.

"I have no idea," he said. "I admire the quality with which he skates; the control and his edging and his speed are phenomenal. I think in terms of skating skills, he's definitely one of the top in the world. But I definitely think he has things that are lacking.

"They break out the [program] components into five pieces, but they all kind of judge them without separating them out, so maybe Patrick has a 10 in skating skills and lower in interpretation, but they all stay in the same range.

Source: IN: Rink Notes: Abbott mulls Chan's thrall over judges

[SkateFiguring]

Awww, Jeremy is more generous than the judges to give Chan a 10 in Skating Skills.

I already stated how I liked his new attitude in the Jeremy thread, believing in himself and gunning for Patrick.

[pangtongfan]

Skaters should give up on Chan. He is a lock to win every event until he retires. Skaters should focus on the silver and bronze medals and what they can do to give themselves the best chance at those.

[skatinginbc]

Mathman, the only good thing said about falls was from Let's Talk, supported by skatinginbc: Dai always leaves the perfect impression, i.e. even with falls he can deliver the program.

Another classic case of propaganda: Twisting the words of the opponents on purpose. Can you quote directly from my post that I agreed that Dai always leaves the perfect impression even with falls? My post was responding to your post where you were tempting to show how their falls differ and whose program is better delivered with falls.

That's exactly what he does in every program better than any one in the world.

Then show us the footage in every program where he did an extended field move better than any one in the world. I want proof, concrete proof, not propaganda.

[skatinginbc]

...Really hope you weren't completely serious with that post and actually took my comment so literally. But yeah... Takahashi has a noticeably longer recovery time = more distracting. That simple. I still enjoy his skating.

Just to clarify, if we define recovery from a fall as the moment when a skater gets up off the ground, then Yes, Takahashi took longer. But if we define recovery as the moment when a skater actually resumes the program, then Chan took longer. The conclusion is based on all their fall footage in GPF series as well as in Nationals.

[Bluebonnet]

Jeremy Abbott actually shares the sentiments most of us have regarding Chan:



Source: IN: Rink Notes: Abbott mulls Chan's thrall over judges

Confidence and arrogance are only a thin paper apart. I don't mind skaters talk like this if they could deliver the goods on ice.

[Mathman]

Never mind.

[jettasian]

Skaters should give up on Chan. He is a lock to win every event until he retires. Skaters should focus on the silver and bronze medals and what they can do to give themselves the best chance at those.

That's the greatest thing you have said ever since you have posted on this broad. It's great you are learning! Good job!

[jettasian]

Jeremy Abbott actually shares the sentiments most of us have regarding Chan:



Source: IN: Rink Notes: Abbott mulls Chan's thrall over judges

I'd like to know what Abbott think that Chan's lacking.

[Bluebonnet]

I'd like to know what Abbott think that Chan's lacking.

Probably IN. That's about the closest to artistry in PCS.

[Tonichelle]

Math, that spread eagle of Boitano's wasn't good enough for skatinginbc's requirement because that was a two-foot move and uncreative.

Besides, Paul Wylie's was better... and Johnathan Cassar's is the bestest!

[chloepoco]

Confidence and arrogence are only a thin paper apart. I don't mind skaters talk like this if they could deliver the goods on ice.

I see no arrogance in what Jeremy said.

And speaking of spread eagles, I just love Kozuka's in his EX program this year!

[Tonichelle]

Jonathan Cassar for the win!

I mean, we are discussing spread eagles, right?

[Olympia]

But this is not figure dancing, or dancing skating. It's a sport, right? As I said it before, stick to Star on Ice if they want "dance, performance, over the top darmatic pull your heart out emotions"

If I may make a suggestion, I don't think that the objective of skating should be to weed out "unsuitable" fans. Isn't the sport starved enough for fans as it is? If someone comes along and loves skating for "dance, performance, over-the-top dramatic pull-your-heart-out emotions," we should all say, "Welcome, friend! Come in and sit down over here." I'm sure a lot of Chan fans (of whom I am one) love his skating for its grace and performance aspects, and some of them have never analyzed a single score.

[SkateFiguring]

Confidence and arrogance are only a thin paper apart. I don't mind skaters talk like this if they could deliver the goods on ice.

As it has been said, it's not arrogance if it's true, or if you can back it up. As I'm not judging but am more interested in analyzing the mindsets of winners and non winners, arrogance is fine with me but not sour grape. I see no sour grape in Jeremy's statement even as he criticizes Patrick's marks, never from Plushenko, but plenty from Johnny Weir and even Verner though I can't say if it's his normal mindset. I disagree 100% with Patongfan's advice to skaters to give up on gold, whether it's sarcastic or realistic. You have to aim high to reach high. Those aiming to knock off Patrick may have a chance, by skills or luck, while those who settle for less may get even less than what they settle for.