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    Quote Originally Posted by christinaskater View Post
    Gracie for 4cc and if she does really well for Worlds!
    Like most, I'm ok with 4CC but even if Gracie did well there I wouldn't send her to Worlds. I do think she could do well, perhaps better than most US ladies we could potentially send, but it just strikes me as unfair. Skaters like Ashley and Caroline slug it out at senior nationals year after year and fail to make the team. Dick Button has said Nationals is the most difficult competition and under the pressure even great skaters like Kwan and Cohen have had poor performances. So many other factors add pressure (skating before a live television audience and a packed venue, media attention, etc.) that for a junior skater to bypass all of this and get on the World team strikes me as grossly unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    It really was a well skated event. I'm glad Caroline did so well. She may even be able to pull herself a notch or 2 in the free. It would be great if she made the World team.
    Sorry, I don't want her to do quite well enough to make the world team. There's too much chance of her bombing once AT worlds.

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    Personally, unless there is some written rule that forbids it, I don't think any factor but performance should determine who goes to Worlds. The point is to win, not to pass out favors to all the lovely girls who work so hard. If Gracie kills at 4CC and no one else does, she'd be our strongest bet at Worlds too.

    That said, I'm really hoping Agnes pulls it out for a win here. That SP was so strong and mature. The program is not particularly to my taste, and I agree with Backstage Barbie who mentioned in her blog that Agnes's hair and costume seemed very "harsh." She deserves better. But she really put it down last night.

    As for what happened to Rachael - she had a LOT of competition last night. I lost track of all the talented girls. She no longer has the unflappable steadiness that she had. She made only one major mistake and got nice applause, but instead of raising the bar in order to face down the competition, she merely made it through the program that blew the roof off last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Personally, unless there is some written rule that forbids it, I don't think any factor but performance should determine who goes to Worlds. The point is to win, not to pass out favors to all the lovely girls who work so hard. If Gracie kills at 4CC and no one else does, she'd be our strongest bet at Worlds too.

    That said, I'm really hoping Agnes pulls it out for a win here. That SP was so strong and mature. The program is not particularly to my taste, and I agree with Backstage Barbie who mentioned in her blog that Agnes's hair and costume seemed very "harsh." She deserves better. But she really put it down last night.

    As for what happened to Rachael - she had a LOT of competition last night. I lost track of all the talented girls. She no longer has the unflappable steadiness that she had. She made only one major mistake and got nice applause, but instead of raising the bar in order to face down the competition, she merely made it through the program that blew the roof off last year.
    Spun Silver, I agree with you in regard to Rachael. She was always "Reliable Rachael" and when she lost that consistency, she lost what made her a contender. She always had the mental toughness to stick a program when other "head cases" unraveled. I've always given her the benefit of the doubt and I was blown away by East of Eden last year at Nationals because it was such a departure from the way she usually performs. She just didn't have the same spark and life in her skating last night. I feel that she does still really love skating but she's had a tough season and that has to be getting go her. She'll have to dig deep in the off season and figure out what she really wants and what is best for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Sorry, I don't want her to do quite well enough to make the world team. There's too much chance of her bombing once AT worlds.
    Really? And what are the chances of Alissa, Rachael, Ashley or Mirai bombing at Worlds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trewyn View Post
    Youtube links to the performances? Anyone?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjB_NFEO5hg

    There's Caroline. The only one I found. What feed is that from?

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYhpiqgOmHU

    Ashley Wagner

    (I'll keep looking for the others. Is it so much to ask for someone to upload all of the top skaters and not just their favorite? Lol)
    Last edited by Ruffles78; 01-27-2012 at 12:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Sorry, I don't want her to do quite well enough to make the world team. There's too much chance of her bombing once AT worlds.
    I dont want to see her make it to Worlds this year either. I dont think she would do well. I think it is better for her to get back in the top 5 and get Grand Prix assignments for next year, then maybe make it next year if they have 3 spots, she has improved more, and has a good Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffles78 View Post
    THANK YOU :D She smiled so much during her program. Lovely :-)

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    I went to see the Ladies SP. Some notes on a few of the top 10 girls

    1. Yasmin. She had the worst ice coverage in the top 10. I was surprised at her score because her combo is probably the easiest. Doesn't seem to perform this time.
    2. Mirai. Wow, Mirai must be slower than at least 7 or 8 girls in the top 10. She was really slow. Her speed going into her 2A was almost Caroline's speed back in the day minus the compete halt. Did not perform, did not connect to the audience at all. Her score is huge for what she did. Then Haley Dunne skated immediately after her, and showed everyone how it's done. That explained the boo when Haley got her score relative to Mirai.
    3. Alissa. I'm surprised to see Alissa isn't as slow as most other girls, she covered the ice better. But she didn't do anything between elements. Just cross-overs. Huge score for PCS. Agnes should beat her on every components. Her TR should be the lowest of the top 10. Smooth landing on the first two jumps. Looked fully rotated in real time.
    4. Agnes. Wow!!! During warm-up, she doubled a few times. I was nervous for her. Then her 3T3T combo. And the beautiful 3Lutz. Gracie should take a look at Agnes' 3Lutz. It was perfect from take off to landing. Perfect air position. Love this SP. I thought they would give her 63 just to keep Alissa in the game. Good score! Now, this girl is still very slow. Maybe work on her speed and consistency. The US fed has 2 great girls who can outjump the Russian babies. Need to start polish both of them now.
    5. Vanessa. Second worst ice coverage. Her jumps aren't as tiny as Hannah Miller or Yasmin, but they are small. She needs to work on her flutz. Speed is ok. Her step sequence is probably the best of the top 10. Very effortless with a lot of turns. Didn't lose speed throughout the steps. Which made sense because she got level 4 on her steps several times this year. Also, she seemed too focused and thoughtful throughout. Maybe learn how to perform.
    6. Caroline. WOW!!!!! She did the 3loop-3loop once in warm up and it looked really good. I was so nervous for her. Her combo in the competition looked fully rotated in real time. When they showed the slow-mo, I thought it looked close but I would give it to her. Her flip was good. Axel is still work-in-progress. She performed. She was happy out there. They totally lowballed her. There's no way that program should be lower than Alissa and Ashley. What a crooked event.
    7. Christina. Troubled on her flip, so she aborted the 3T. She did 3F3T in warm up twice I believe. The second time, she URed and two-footed the 3T. Overall, ok performance. She is the fastest girl in the top 10. Axel is also work-in-progress. I believe she can develop a bit more.
    8. Rachael. She landed the 3F in warm-up. Then doubled her 3Lutz later. Then went back and rotated the 3Lutz-2T. I thought she's smart to do the Lutz in combo. She wouldn't need to have steps in front of it. What a fighter! From not able to land flips and lutz to put both of them out in the SP. Trouble with the 2A. I thought she would be around 56-57. Oh well. She got quite a few groupies with her. During the warm-up, they did a segment on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Personally, unless there is some written rule that forbids it, I don't think any factor but performance should determine who goes to Worlds. The point is to win, not to pass out favors to all the lovely girls who work so hard. If Gracie kills at 4CC and no one else does, she'd be our strongest bet at Worlds too.
    It's not about passing out favors to skaters who work hard. It was Gracie's choice (or the choice of her team) to not compete as a senior this season, despite being age eligible. It would be unprecedented to send a junior skater to senior Worlds, especially when she has not had to go head-to-head with any of our senior ladies. So many people complained last year about skaters being sent to Worlds over Jeremy, but at least they beat him in competition. Gracie is absolutely a great talent that I am excited to see develop, but I just worry that such a desperate act by the USFSA would be too much pressure for this 16 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    Really? And what are the chances of Alissa, Rachael, Ashley or Mirai bombing at Worlds?
    So true.

    I would be thrilled if Caroline made the world team. The way I see it is anyone's game, Gold and Silver should go to Worlds no matter who it is. The US has been trying to get 3 spots back for quite awhile personally I would like to see new blood at Worlds.

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    Wow, wow..... I don't care if Caroline's 3l/3l was downgraded because it looked awesome. Who knew she could even jump that high and have such a smooth ride out of that jump. I'm impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    It's not about passing out favors to skaters who work hard. It was Gracie's choice (or the choice of her team) to not compete as a senior this season, despite being age eligible. It would be unprecedented to send a junior skater to senior Worlds, especially when she has not had to go head-to-head with any of our senior ladies. So many people complained last year about skaters being sent to Worlds over Jeremy, but at least they beat him in competition. Gracie is absolutely a great talent that I am excited to see develop, but I just worry that such a desperate act by the USFSA would be too much pressure for this 16 year old.

    absolutely. i can imagine how this would have gone down with the second place finisher if that second finisher was someone like tonya harding. we decided to annoint somebody who didn't even compete against you. heck, i am one of polina K's biggest fans and look at the 2 falls when she finally skates the Euro SP against the big girls, even after a 7 triple qualifying round. at least polina k competed against the seniors in her own country's nationals and earned her euro spot.

    i would lose all remaining respect for the USFSA if they actually try to send gold to senior worlds.
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    I think the fact that they are even considering sending Gracie to Senior Worlds is because the older girls just aren't getting it done. Mirai seems lost and has no fire Alissa is limited in her jumps and is getting older and Ashley has never put it together. Rachael is about done and i don't think that Caroline is ever going to contend for gold at a Worlds or Olympics. Gracie can do 3-3 combo's which will be needed against the Russian girls heading into Sochi and Agnes can do them to. The older girls for the most part can't do 3-3 combo's. What does it tell you that it was Caroline that did a 3-3 last night?
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