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Did well in the Grand Prix season, but needs to improve further if going to make more of an impact.
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Did well in the Grand Prix season, but needs to improve further if going to make more of an impact.
Last edited by Mao88; 01-26-2012 at 03:16 PM.
Thanks for posting the article.
I think Ashley has as good a chance as anyone else to win the U.S. championships this weekend. But international success is another story for all of the U.S. ladies.
Ashley's been around for a LONG time. She's won a few GP medals, but hasn't really broken through internationally at a major competition. ISU judges just aren't that impressed by her. So no, I don't think she's going to be the next big thing. IMO, Gracie Gold has the vest shot at that.
While I agree, keep in mind that Czisny has been around even LONGER. She was competing during the height of the Kwan/Cohen rivalry! She competed senior nats since 2002 (?), didn't win her first medal until 2007, and actually won in 2009.Originally Posted by chuckm
Not everyone peaks at 16 or 17.
Exactly! I think as Ashley gets older and matures she'll realize what aspects of her skating she needs to improve and work harder, she clearly has the drive and has already made clear improvement.
I hope this chuckm is eating a little crow this morning...
Well, but this win was a NATIONAL championship. That post seems like the poster doubts her INTERNATIONAL ability. We shall see on that one...
Exactly. Winning Nationals is huge for Wagner, but it doesnt disprove anything chuckm said.
Nope. I said Ashley hasn't reached the top level INTERNATIONALLY. Capisce?
Ashley won Nationals because she skated better than Alissa Czisny last night---Alissa hasn't successfully defended her US Championship in the past, and this time was no exception. Defeating Alissa doesn't carry much weight internationally. It's how well ASHLEY performs that will count at Worlds.
As pretty as Ashley's Nationals performance was, it was not without flaws: she doublefooted 3 triples and she flutzes. She will be facing ladies who have 3/3s and/or PCS scores consistently in the 7s, and who have medaled at Worlds and/or Euros. She has her work cut out for her.
Last edited by chuckm; 01-29-2012 at 11:30 PM.
Don't know her personally, but when I met her after a show last October, she couldn't have been nicer.I bet she is a sweetie in real life.
well I think it all depends on how everyone does. a clean Ashley can't beat a clean Alissa. and who knows about mirai.
I see Ashley as a potential consistent us national bronze medalist
the next us star ? Gracie Gold !
A clean Ashley can't beat a clean Mirai either. However, at this time, it might be fair to say Ashley has a far greater shot at being clean than Mirai.
As for the next big star, I agree it is most likely either Gracie, Mirai (if she ever miraculously OMG gets her act together) or else someone yet unknown.
I hope Gracie either does not read the internet hype or has really strong shoulders to carry all the expectations being heaped on her back right now. FSU posters are suggesting she be sent to senior worlds this year. And Hersh suggested a month ago that she could win gold in Sochi.
That's a lot of hype for a girl that hasn't skated a single senior level competition.
Tuktamysheva won her first 3 senior competitions including 2 Grand Prix events. If the U.S. lacks ambition, simply helps the Russians and I'm sure they won't be complaining about that. The faint hearted don't tend to become champions. She either has it or she hasn't and when she makes her debut or when the hype starts will make very little difference in the long run as to whether she becomes a champion or not. Do you seriously think Sonja Henie, Oksana Baiul, Tara Lipinski, Sarah Hughes, or Tuk herself adopted that attitude? The first four of those names were younger than Gold is now when they became Olympic champions...
Last edited by Mao88; 01-26-2012 at 05:30 PM.
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