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Thread: Senior Men's Short Program, Fri. 1/27 at 10 pm EST

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcoates View Post
    I stand by my comments about Dick being very chatty. He may not have been super wordy when Michelle skated, but he sure was for plenty of other people, especially if he was criticizing them, something he almost never did for Kwan except perhaps for her layback.

    If you would note in my comments about Kim, I am critical of her delivery and not her content. In contrast, you are focusing on her content and not her delivery. Both are important to good broadcasting. I never implied or declared that she could not improve.

    As for Johnny, the tone of the criticism of him last night from multiple posters was a little harsh for my taste and seemed to center on not just the volume of his comments, but also the fact that they were not typically masculine in their content. Peggy for instance frequently focused on many of the same things as Johnny did last night (hair, makeup, fashion, music, mood, etc.) during her 30 years in the booth. Tracy, by contrast has made use of references to other sports in her commentary in both the US and Canada (especially baseball and basketball; perhaps something she's familiar with as a mother of sons). In truth Johnny made no greater number of obscure references than Scott does about guys being guys wanting to show each other up, girls being either adorably cute or women being stunningly beautiful, his being outjumped by Boitano and Orser or just grunting and screaming every time someone jumps or does spins he never did.

    Ok this is really not worth arguing about beyond this point, particularly given how utterly inconsequential it all is.
    I'm not going to read back through all the posts, but I don't recall anyone saying Johnny's comments weren't "masculine enough". I resent what you are implying there.
    Yes, Dick & Peggy did comment a lot about hair, costumes, etc, and when they did it while a skater was performing, I found it just as annoying.

    As for the volume, that's an issue with IN, and not with Tonia, Johnny, or the other guy, (sorry, I forget his name at the moment).

    My own personal preference for commentators is that they speak as little as possible, while the skater is performing, and that their comments apply only to what's happening on the ice.
    Save the comments about hair, funny things the skaters have said, coaching issues, etc. for before and after they skate.

    I realize that others disagree with me. That's fine. It's just my opinion.

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    Resent if you wish. The comments centered on Johnny's comments on his sparkly pen (which he said was in his purse), his comments on hair and eyebrows, etc. They were all advising that he "tone it down". I read that as asking his to less flamboyant and less himself, to be more mainstream and acceptable to the broader audience. It took a couple of pages for people to start actively noticing the other comments he made which were insightful and dissected the technical errors and successes of the skaters. The implication was quite clear, that he should not only be talking less, but that he should not be talking about those particular subjects. It is quite common for men in particular to be told what they can and can't comment on for fear of appearing to not be masculine enough. Hair and makeup are certainly considered subjects that fall into that category whether you like it or not. Good for Johnny for thumbing his nose at established norms.
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    There has never before been a competition where the focus is on the commentator, especially one who has never won Worlds. Congratulations, Johnny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcoates View Post
    Resent if you wish. The comments centered on Johnny's comments on his sparkly pen (which he said was in his purse), his comments on hair and eyebrows, etc. They were all advising that he "tone it down". I read that as asking his to less flamboyant and less himself, to be more mainstream and acceptable to the broader audience. It took a couple of pages for people to start actively noticing the other comments he made which were insightful and dissected the technical errors and successes of the skaters. The implication was quite clear, that he should not only be talking less, but that he should not be talking about those particular subjects. It is quite common for men in particular to be told what they can and can't comment on for fear of appearing to not be masculine enough. Hair and makeup are certainly considered subjects that fall into that category whether you like it or not. Good for Johnny for thumbing his nose at established norms.
    I was one of the "tone it down" posters and I can assure you I was refering to his hyper talking during the performances. I can't speak for others, but maybe that's what they meant as well. I don't think the implication was clear at all, but I can't read minds, so maybe I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLouise View Post
    I was one of the "tone it down" posters and I can assure you I was refering to his hyper talking during the performances. I can't speak for others, but maybe that's what they meant as well. I don't think the implication was clear at all, but I can't read minds, so maybe I'm wrong.
    I'm pretty sure I was totally consistently "I love Weir's commentating," but I did start to want him to tone it down or dial it down a notch, during the actual skating. And, that is what I meant too ....just give us a little more room in the program to hear the music and see the skater without distraction.

    I also did say maybe a little less on fashion and make up; not NO fashion or make-up, just a little less and absolutely I did say, and no fashion while skating. But that isn't the same as saying not fashion, make-up or eyebrows at all. I don't know, but my sense is that lot's of people liked lot's of things in his commentary, which given how his comments to the media have sparked such long debates, is interesting.

    PS: I love to imagine his sparkly pen, and only wish IN would give us a visual of the commentators if only once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emma View Post
    I also did say maybe a little less on fashion and make up; not NO fashion or make-up, just a little less and absolutely I did say, and no fashion while skating. But that isn't the same as saying not fashion, make-up or eyebrows at all. I don't know, but my sense is that lot's of people liked lot's of things in his commentary, which given how his comments to the media have sparked such long debates, is interesting.
    It's kind of interesting because, although it is figure skating, he was commentating the MEN'S event. Not to be sexist, but there should be really very little focus on make-up in a men's figure skating competition. I understand that he tries to be cute or humorous but it gets to be more about him than about the competitors, which is unfortunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLouise View Post
    I was one of the "tone it down" posters and I can assure you I was refering to his hyper talking during the performances. I can't speak for others, but maybe that's what they meant as well. I don't think the implication was clear at all, but I can't read minds, so maybe I'm wrong.
    Same here. And I actually started out in this thread defending his insightful comments... but enough is enough. One comment on eyebrows or hair or pink or "sparklies" is funny, but to be going on and on about trivia (and oneself) while the skaters are having their one little moment in the sun is selfish. I have never heard a commentator carry on like that and I plan to write IN and complain. He's a good commentator and I'll be glad to hear him in the future - but he needs to remember that commentary takes a back seat.

    OTOH, jcoates, I was less happy with Kim N. today. I guess she was trying to keep her commentary to an absolute minimum until the replays, but it's a little weird to have a commentator who doesn't breathe a word in real time when there are major errors (or great moves). She did some real-time commenting, but not enough.

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    Overall, I enjoyed Johnny's commentating -- interesting to see his take on a number of skaters. I especially loved hearing what he had to say about Jason Brown and his ponytail. Sure Johnny could learn to pace himself better and not talk too much during the performances, but his commentary really added something fun to the viewing. Maybe right now Johnny excels more in a kind of pre- or post kind of commentary rather than play-by-play, but again some of his spur of the moment comments were quite fun, especially re Jason's ponytail, Max's and Douglas' eyebrows, and Keegan's charisma. Johnny also had some honest astute comments to make, but again could improve by toning it down some with the talking -- perhaps that comes with more experience.

    Feel sad for Ricky and Mroz. Ricky took it well (like a man) and with a sense of humor -- altho' surely he was feeling torn-up inside. But there is another day, and its important for skaters to chalk situations up to lessons learned and then apply those lessons to move forward. Mroz is a talented skater who needs to find the right music, choreo and inspiration. I agree he should think about moving to another coach. Speaking of changing coaches, the move really paid off for Armin -- plus as Johnny noted, Armin was able to use the energy left behind from Jere's performance and just ride on it and skate with ease and command. I was impressed by Max Aaron -- he's definitely someone to watch from the new generation. I love Ross too, but he and Ricky will need to continue working and find something more within themselves to keep up with guys like Jason, Max, and even Josh Farris of the next up-and-comers. I think Miner and Dornbush can do this, but wow all the great men we have in the U.S. -- Amazing. Can't imagine next season if Johnny does follow through on the comeback. I do feel that Keegan probably should have been behind Max in the scoring in sp, even despite K's zippy speed.

    Can't say enough about Jeremy -- another skater who turned misfortune into found treasure! Jere didn't go home feeling sorry for himself last year. He found something extra within himself and kept putting out the hard work to come back this season with something special. He's been a wonderful, top caliber skater for at least 4 years now, but with his programs this season, he's reaching new heights. Keep on rising, Jeremy! Oh, and Adam, I love you! Bravo!!!
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    Still can't believe Dornbush is like 30 pts behind. So sad, even if he does great it's going to be such a bad placement for such a talent. I wonder why his jumps has eluded him this year. Hope he's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Same here. And I actually started out in this thread defending his insightful comments... but enough is enough. One comment on eyebrows or hair or pink or "sparklies" is funny, but to be going on and on about trivia (and oneself) while the skaters are having their one little moment in the sun is selfish. I have never heard a commentator carry on like that and I plan to write IN and complain. He's a good commentator and I'll be glad to hear him in the future - but he needs to remember that commentary takes a back seat.
    I guess I'll have to disagree, respectfully, with you here...I thought he could dial it back, but I don't agree that he wen on and on about trivia; during the actual skating he talked mainly about the skating, or what it is like skating or as a skater...and said really great and informative things, but here is where I thought he could refrain a bit just so we could watch and see too. Then, he could do less of the funny stuff during replays (about hair and etc) mainly because he would have less time, but I think some costume, hair, make up and who designs all this is interesting and totallhy appropriate. I mean the skaters are wearing this stuff...seems like it begs to be commented upon. But whe3re I might agree with you is just a little less.

    Anyway....I think we agree that it is the skating that really matters....I'm enjoying it a lot and hope everyone else is too.

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    What's going on with Abbott's uniform? Suspenders? Grey/black skates? Too-short pants? Miss-matched colours? Seriously, they all make him looks like an adult wearing a boy clothes...not nice at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Ha, ha, not with Chan having the famous "3-fall advantage" over the rest of the field.
    Seriously, no need to, yet again, degrading Chan's skating here. It's okay not to like Chan's skate. But the constant myth accusation is ridiculous and insulting.
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    I'm happy Adam finally skated clean but he needs to start selling that choreography. Korobusha begs to be performed to the rafters. Think Sasha's Dark Eye's SP. It needs attitude, bravado, and choreography that hits every note. The structure is there in that program to but needs to be served on a platter.

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    Jeremy skated perfectly! So precisely portrayed swing style! I can truly say that this time, he made me a fan of his this SP!

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