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    Quote Originally Posted by jettasian View Post
    Yes, Chan could be a heavy favourite, but no Chan fans have and would crown him. And this thread is created by someone who had nothing but nasty comments about Chan, the intention is very clear.
    Very true!

    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Who says I even try to jinx. I like to be right more than anything else, regardless if I like the skater or not, and as on most things I always am right, while those who disagreed with me were once again wrong. My so called comical advantages and guarantees awarded Chan in fact turn out to be not even slight exagerrations but perfectly accurate and in line with the points, something that I called years before others less wise could see. Of course in the particular case of Chan if I am wrong it is also great, so it is a win-win for me.
    See! People who are against pangtongfan's intention on opening this thread were so right!

    Honestly, I think pangtongfan is a harmless character. He/she was taken a little seriously a couple years ago, but now It's getting tiredsome. So, rarely anyone responded to his/her increased number of fall "predictions". Life went on as beautifully as it should be.

    Plushenko has many "enemies". He has probably gotten the most jinx than any other skaters. But he is still skating and continuing his legendary quest. Where are those Plushenko haters who had firmly occupied this board a couple years ago?! Gone!

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    Plushenko is a figure skater, not a Russian politician. He may have detractors and non-fans but "enemies"? I do not think you correctly understand that word. It may be English is your second language. Plush has other skaters who are jealous, or don't like his style, or feel he is over rated. Jaime Sale is an outspoken critic esp at Vancouver, but he is well liked, well known in skating. he has rivals, which does not mean enemy. That is too strong a word and likely not correct usage. And if You are not a native English speaker, you do darn well! So no criticism intended, just clarification.

    The reason Plush's detractors have been less vocal is a) he was retired so they don't post much unless he is their big fave of all time ( Like nadine/Seniorita). Another reason is his detractors saw him get Silver in Salt lake, Gold in Torino, Silver in Vancouver and he just won Russian Nationals and Europeans. At 29, after scads of surgeries, he is still in to skate, to perform and to medal.

    He knows he is not going to outskate a healthy Chan or Hanyu or even maybe Gachinski in 2014. He may not make the team. I was not always his biggest fan, but my awe grows. Can you name another male skater with his record who is still skating for whatever reasons. He is the Ali of skating. He will be thrilled if he skates well in Sochi, and he has said he'd be happy to have bronze. This is a true competitor, and even though I can name skaters whose skating I preferred then and now, I think he has earned great respect because he works so hard. His longevity from 6.0 to CoP and Olympic titles earned will likely never be matched. That is just Oly record. Then all the rest. He actually has done better than I ever expected. I enjoy his skating still, the jumps, the passion, the Russian champion persona. Imagine if he actually medals at Sochi with a fairly judged skate? It will be all about Evgeni. He has shut up his critics with his love of skating and willingness to give his body and soul for his legacy. Who is his peer in this? No one I can think of to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Plushenko is a figure skater, not a Russian politician. He may have detractors and non-fans but "enemies"? I do not think you correctly understand that word. It may be English is your second language.
    I'm wondering how much you know about Plushenko?! I bet very little! That was the exact word he used in his interview! That was why I quoted the word with " "! sheesh!
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    And he was a Russian politician too until recently in preparation for the come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I wonder what score Chan will post at worlds given inflationary numbers at the biggest event of the season? Any guesses? (Wish the winner got a free trip to 2013 worlds, lol)
    You see, that's the problem. So you think the judges will only inflate for Chan, but nobody else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Honestly, I think pangtongfan is a harmless character. He/she was taken a little seriously a couple years ago, but now It's getting tiredsome. So, rarely anyone responded to his/her increased number of fall "predictions". Life went on as beautifully as it should be.
    I really don't care whether s/he's harmless or a troll, it's insulting and disrespectful to all skaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I'm wondering how much you know about Plushenko?! I bet very little! That was the exact word he used in his interview! That was why I quoted the word with " "! sheesh!
    remember, English is Evgeni's second language or third or forth-he may not get the difference, you three ubers need to chill. I SAID INFLATIONARY SCORES IN GENERAL AT WORLDS usually happens at this event and Oly's. Everyone will likely get "season's best." Not just PC. The op is being funny about the point spread. Someetimes people use humor to make a point, but it is not worth getting people censored for their opinion. I think it is a cultural thing. In the west, "disrespect" is far different than in the east. Please keep in mind there are people from many cultures/ages here and you will get a plurality of opinion. That is what makes the internet special, and many are trying to preserve the freedoms.

    Even if someone patiently makes a point, there are 3 posters that get all upset when the overscoring of Chan gets mentioned. Why? BECAUSE ITS THE TRUTH. You 3 want censorship of pangtongfan or anyone who says anything about your idol or disagrees. We do not want censorship of opinions on a skating board. If you don't like a thread, comment or poster, too bad. You can ignore or say kindly, "You have a right to your opinion." Why is it you take this so so seriously? It is a sport, and Patrick is winning regardless. You should be really happy. Remeber if someone prefers Dai, or Hanyu or Evgeni, it is good to learn why. You get smarter that way. Its is sad we can't even make a joke at the situation of skating scores inflation. I can imagine no discussion of very serious worldly matters can be discussed. is it disrespectful to roll your eyes at me, say i know nothing about Evgeni and ask that i and others be censored or shut down the thread? I am glad you are not diplomats. Imagine if we handled N. Korea like this or iran. We would have world War 3 alreadr. Figureskating is a sport we discuss. And unless you are patrick's mother, you should not take everything so personally.

    Anonymity on the net is a two edged sword, good and bad. Please don't ask for censorship, we have that everywhere in the world, and it may be very shortly before we see the US Govt take control of the internet the way many repressive regimes have done in Arab countries. I may not agree with what you say, but I feel your right to express your opinion in speech or in print is a freedom we Americans feel is worth dying for. So in all things great and small, unless there is bad language or some such infraction, always preserve everyone's right to say their opinion.

    Fairness in judging matters to me in my favorite sport very much, and if you took an anonymous poll about the overscoring of certain skaters, I think you will find it bothers a great many. People just don't wanna argue with uber-ubers!

    More impt than that is free speech. You have a fan thread one of you asked for where no dissenting opinionss of PC are allowed. How much control over this board and people's thoughts are you entitled to? Think about it. Respectfully, Skateluvr, a fan of Chan but moreso of fair judging and free speech!

    Many in my city get arested for peaceful demonstrations. So never ask for the smallest censorship...it grows into a monster.

    If we can't express our opinions freely, courteously, we have no other rights.

    Internet freedom/control is a huge issue and the people fighting for freedom have many powerful "enemies" here in America in the truest sense of the word. If you have an 'enemy" here or think you do, here is a tip. be nice to tht person, bless them and say. you have a right to your opinion and smile at the. Your "enemy' will likely become your freind. Try it.

    Jinxes are superstition. They do not exist. Black magic does invite evil into someone's life and there are real cases of exorcism of possessed souls in the Vatican Archives. But us wishing skater x well (or not) does not affect reality. I'd be interested to know the backgrounds (religious/ethnic) of people who believe in jinxes and want censorship of opinions. Mathman uses humor to moderate threads, there is no reason to delete, alter or close threads unless some grave ignorance of guidelines is present.

    The internet is the last bastion of free speech, where we exercise our first amendment right. Evgeni is a minor politician, if you want to use that word. He is a figure skater, and well connected because he is a star. Name one skating enemy. He has rivals, not "enemies." I have red a lot about him, watched him for years and my opinion changes over time. i have only seen him skate live once and got to say hello. He has a lot of warmth like many Russian people I have met. If he has "enemies" he might think of some people in his federation who maybe don't support his comebacks. Who knows what goes on in skating federations? But I do know lots of skaters like him, including Evan, despite his momentary 'bad' behavior when he did not get gold. I do know many Russians, and wish I understood the culture.

    It is pretty funny that Pangtongfan can get the goats of the same folks. Maybe he is having fun at your expense, but I think you won't succeed at getting mods to censor opinions or facts that they see as true.

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    If you'd like to work up your temper through what I've said. That's your problem!

    It was you who wanted to take control and censor my writing. Yes, Plushenko is a non-English speaker. But you, a true English speaker as you labeled yourself, have never understood the playful tone of his when he said so and when I wrote it. What a pity! Your right on freedom of speech is same as mine. I've never said to exclude pangtongfan. Please go back to read my previous post again before you lay so many charges on me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Even if someone patiently makes a point, there are 3 posters that get all upset when the overscoring of Chan gets mentioned. Why? BECAUSE ITS THE TRUTH. You 3 want censorship of pangtongfan or anyone who says anything about your idol or disagrees. We do not want censorship of opinions on a skating board. If you don't like a thread, comment or poster, too bad. You can ignore or say kindly, "You have a right to your opinion." Why is it you take this so so seriously? It is a sport, and Patrick is winning regardless. You should be really happy. Remeber if someone prefers Dai, or Hanyu or Evgeni, it is good to learn why. You get smarter that way. Its is sad we can't even make a joke at the situation of skating scores inflation. I can imagine no discussion of very serious worldly matters can be discussed. is it disrespectful to roll your eyes at me, say i know nothing about Evgeni and ask that i and others be censored or shut down the thread? I am glad you are not diplomats. Imagine if we handled N. Korea like this or iran. We would have world War 3 alreadr. Figureskating is a sport we discuss. And unless you are patrick's mother, you should not take everything so personally.
    More impt than that is free speech. You have a fan thread one of you asked for where no dissenting opinionss of PC are allowed. How much control over this board and people's thoughts are you entitled to? Think about it. Respectfully, Skateluvr, a fan of Chan but moreso of fair judging and free speech!

    It is pretty funny that Pangtongfan can get the goats of the same folks. Maybe he is having fun at your expense, but I think you won't succeed at getting mods to censor opinions or facts that they see as true.
    I'm replying especially to the bold parts.

    What do you mean it is the truth? About what? Chan overscoring? Again, it has been a heated debate about it, but not sure how you can conclude that it's the truth? You may think he's overscored, I think he wasn't, so it is the truth about what?

    I have no problem for them not liking "my idol". But I do have problem for them, in this case, Pangtongfan, keep spreading words that Chan's winning Worlds and Olympics. Those are disrespectful and insulting to Chan and ALL other skaters. There's NO MERIT so whatever s/he said except spreading ridiculous assumptions.

    I also have problem with people ALREADY conclude that Chan will win with 10 falls, or the judges have hidden agendas etc. Those are baseless accusations. Sure, they have the free speech to spread whatever lies. I also have my free speech to counter those lies and accusations.

    You call yourself a fair judging, yet, you said Patrick is winning regardless. You also said in other post about wondering how much judges will inflate the marks for Chan at world. You are just like Pangtongfan, making assumption without any merits. Calling yourself a fair judge is a joke.

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    What is implicit in all Pangtongfan's declarations about Patrick Chan's winning, including a thread about an event two years away, is that all his wins are fixed. And skatelurv unequivocally and repeatedly states as a "truth" that Chan is always overscored. How are these baseless unsubstantiable accusations not disrespectful to Chan the World Champion of the sport we all supposedly love, to the trained and devoted judges, and indeed to all competing skaters who all should doubt their own success in this totally corrupted system? How are these slandering assertions not disrespectful and insulting in any culture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Plushenko is a figure skater, not a Russian politician. He may have detractors and non-fans but "enemies"? I do not think you correctly understand that word. It may be English is your second language.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    That was the exact word he used in his interview! That was why I quoted the word with " "! sheesh!
    The Russian skaters love the "enemies".
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnfYlx-5Uyw (from 0.48)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Agreed. So the question is - do we take it away from Petrenko or from Urmanov? I would love it if Casablanca was an Olympic Gold LP. While we're at it, can we give Usova/Zhulin the gold too?!?!? Pretty please.....
    Or Boitano... because, you know, Orser needed more "humiliation" in 1988 in Calgary (considering Kurt was supposed to be his replacement after retirement and all)

    but I wouldn't mind him getting it in 1994... he was definitely his best artistically by then, IMO, for his competitive career...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Yeah, I'd love for Kurt to have had a gold, and Michelle too. Let's have a redo of both 1994 and 1998!
    Kurteee and Kwaneee for GOLD!

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    Ouch .. too long to read for an ADS person like me. Gee... why is 'free speech' coming into play in skating forums?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    definitely take urmanovs-hated his everything. petrenko was better, great pro and humanitarian.
    Does Olympic crown a pro and humanitarian?

    There was no way that Stojko could have won over Urmanovs. So forget about it! I love Urmanovs' Olympic winning skate!

    Kurt and Michelle have already gotton the Olympic gold medal from their fans all over the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post

    The reason Plush's detractors have been less vocal is a) he was retired so they don't post much unless he is their big fave of all time ( Like nadine/Seniorita).

    He knows he is not going to outskate a healthy Chan or Hanyu or even maybe Gachinski in 2014. He may not make the team. I was not always his biggest fan, but my awe grows. Can you name another male skater with his record who is still skating for whatever reasons. He is the Ali of skating. He will be thrilled if he skates well in Sochi, and he has said he'd be happy to have bronze. This is a true competitor, and even though I can name skaters whose skating I preferred then and now, I think he has earned great respect because he works so hard. His longevity from 6.0 to CoP and Olympic titles earned will likely never be matched. That is just Oly record. Then all the rest. He actually has done better than I ever expected. I enjoy his skating still, the jumps, the passion, the Russian champion persona. Imagine if he actually medals at Sochi with a fairly judged skate? It will be all about Evgeni. He has shut up his critics with his love of skating and willingness to give his body and soul for his legacy. Who is his peer in this? No one I can think of to date.
    Oh..his fans are still active especially on Youtube. Just read the fanatical insults they throw at Patrick and Evan (when Evan 'stole' King Plusheko's gold). Eh, I enjoy Plushenko's skating but not the insults his fans threw at others.
    Yes I agree I respect his ability to keep on skating for this long. Indeed he gave his body and soul to figure skating. That is his choice.... not others. Maybe this is the only thing he knows he can get admiration afterall he didn't make it as a politician. No insult meant.. just fact.
    Oh yes.. Ali of skating. Yeah a legend but not sure whether others prefer an ending like his .. what is life without a healthy body and mind.

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