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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    What is implicit in all Pangtongfan's declarations about Patrick Chan's winning, including a thread about an event two years away, is that all his wins are fixed. And skatelurv unequivocally and repeatedly states as a "truth" that Chan is always overscored.
    People often overstate their positions in the heat of argument. But I think there is a different way of looking at it.

    (a) Judges like Chan's skating.

    (b) They give him high marks for it.

    (c) The IJS is structured in such a way that it is possible for a skater to win even with a fall or two.

    I do not think it is disrespectful to offer the opinion that Patrick is way ahead of anyone else and (insofar as we can predict the future) is the current front-runner leading up to the next Olympics. I also think it is a legitimate view (as is the view to the contrary) that the international judges are so smitten with Patrick's skating that they tend to discount his mistakes more than for skaters of lesser talent and reputation. (Hey, look at all those 6.0s that Michelle got, when she deserved only a 5.9 . )

    That is a far cry from charging that Skate Canada officials are bribing judges and making nefarious back room deals. (We have come to expect a certain amount of lobbying and cheerleading.)

    If you read what skateluvr actually said, it was

    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr
    I wonder what score Chan will post at worlds given inflationary numbers at the biggest event of the season?
    Scores seem to be inflated across the board at Worlds. I suppose it it because the ISU wants to show the world how wonderful their champions are. Worlds being the last event of the year, there is nothing to save the record scores for. Skateluvr is saying that everybody gets higher scores at Worlds. If Patrick skates 290, at Worlds he will get 300.

    Is Patrick picked on more than other skaters? Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.

    As for pangandtongfan, he likes to state his views in a challenging and provocative way. *shrugs* OK.

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    This assumes that the gold medal awarded to S and P in 2002 is considered legitimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    This assumes that the gold medal awarded to S and P in 2002 is considered legitimate.
    Of course, it was legitimate!

    However, personally, I'd rather ISU left it alone and didn't do such eye-popping extreme thing. I thought it was over. S and P thought it was over. Many thought it was over despite the complains. Then they were exchanged to gold from silver. ISU blew up the scandal bigger than it has been. JMO.
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    Canada already had a gold medal in pairs before Sale & Pelletier, the great Wagner & Paul in 1960. Sale & Pelletier farcial media gifted gift is the gold that rightfully should have gone to Dafoe & Bowden who were truly robbed in 1956, not just artifically so like the overrated Sale & Pelletier who were in fact gifted numerous titles in their career. All that said I was glad in a sense they were given their farce double gold, as unfair as that was to the exquisite and many times screwed over by the S&P hype machine from 2000-2002 Elena and Anton. It meant they got the heck out of Olympic style competition and I didnt have to watch Love Story for the 1000th time *gag me already*. Although watching them get their butt kicked by Shen & Zhou and Totmianina & Marinin under COP where the 10-15 point gap they would regularly give up with Jamies comical solo jumps, would have been fun as well.
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    So many countries with a gold medal in all but one discipline:

    Russia
    Canada
    Germany
    GBR
    Austria

    Then those with golds in two disciplines:

    USA
    Sweden
    Ukraine (is it OK to count Petrenko's 92 win as Ukraine?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue dog View Post
    So many countries with a gold medal in all but one discipline:

    Russia
    Germany
    GBR
    Austria

    Then those with golds in two disciplines:

    USA
    Sweden
    Ukraine (is it OK to count Petrenko's 92 win as Ukraine?)
    Thanks, that is is what I was curious about. So of those countries you listed it looks like Russia could join Canada and become the 2nd contender to have won Olympic Gold in all 4 disciplines in 2014. They do have a chance at ladies gold in Sochi.

    I believe Germany is missing the dance gold which will never happen in Sochi. I believe for Austria it is also dance gold, which likewise will never happen in Sochi. Great Britian's missing gold is in pairs which will probably never happen as they dont even seem to bother try developing half decent pairs ever, even during their tour de force days.

    U.S could add a dance gold which would put them 3/4s of the way there. The pairs gold seems a long way off, wont happen in Sochi, that is for sure.

    Sweden has gold in ladies and mens right? Anyway they at present time are not a force.

    Ukraine does not seem to be developing any top skaters at the moment, and never produced ones that came close to the top in pairs and dance.

    I believe France has pairs and dance gold, but not ladies or men. They have some good men but are a long way from building an Olympic Champion as Joubert's time has clearly passed and Amodio is not going to attain such heights. Their womens program seems to be a disaester for now.

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    Not quite:

    The Ukrainian dance team of Grushina & Goncharov were 3rd in 2006 at the Olympics!

    and right now there are some talented Ukrainian junior dancers.

    Oddly enough, the current European champion Volosozhar is Ukrainian, as is last year's World champion Savchenko. Both competed for Ukraine with Stanislaus Morozov. V&M's highest world finish was 6th, and they have finished 4th at Euros and at the GPF. All of Savchenko's senior medals were with Szolkowy, but she won the World Junior Championship with Morosov.

    So Ukraine has a program-what it doesn't have is enough quality facilities at this point. And even so, it has produced talented pairs and dancers.

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    I would like to see the Ukranians come back as a force. They produced some of my favorite skaters, both those who reached the top and those who didnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    The Russian skaters love the "enemies".
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnfYlx-5Uyw (from 0.48)
    these guys were long time rivals-they are freinds now because were never enemies...misuse of words as they don't have perfect command of English. Great video/verry funny-thanks!

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    And thank you Mathman for clarifying, and reiterating what I said. It doesn't pay to argue with the young uber-ubers. It seems constant offense is taken but we will see a few skaters over scored in Nice, maybe more than a few with Caro and Chan racking up big scores. I do expect them to win...I just really would like to see fair judging. The inflationary scoring just makes slating seem too subjective, thus destroying credibility.

    However favored these two may be, there could be an upset. As always, may the best skating of the night take the prize.

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    I find Kostner's scores just fine. Heck she was probably robbed bigtime at Skate America where Czisny crashed and made major errors and still beat her, including having higher PCS (and higher marks for skating skills, what a joke). She is capatilizing on the scoring system, her strengths, and the less than stellar ladies field since the Games. She cant be compared to Chan, she is nowhere near the frontrunner as he is, and she certainly doesnt have a many fall cushion over the field as he does. Skate America even suggests if everyone skates clean she would probably not win even vs the current crop. She has a good shot to win Worlds this year, and she had better do it as this is the last year she can hope to win without the lutz. I hope she does as if even the ghastly Miki Ando can win Worlds twice, then Kostner certainly deserves atleast one. If she is serious about going for 2014 she best have the off season surgery.

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    What surgery is Caro having? I agree she is not really as favored far and away with fall cushion that Chan enjoys for his superior speed, SS. I just think its her year and the judges may hold her up. SA is not surprising, as lkissa has home judges advantage. I agree Caro was better that night and has been sparkling at every meet.

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    Well she probably isnt having the surgery, but she has a lingering injury which she probably wont be able to do the triple lutz again unless/until she has surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    The reason Plush's detractors have been less vocal is a) he was retired so they don't post much unless he is their big fave of all time ( Like nadine/Seniorita).
    Oi, I posted about Evgeni once he competed at RN and saw him back, I know that because before I really had nothing to say.

    He has used the word enemy quite a few times but it is in the context of rivals, so I wouldnt be that upset.
    Oh how I wish I had attent an event live where they both competed, the warm up looks so tense!!!! But videos like this make me feel like I m watching fs since ever.

    Maybe this is the only thing he knows he can get admiration afterall he didn't make it as a politician. No insult meant.. just fact.
    So anyone who doesnt succeed in politics he comes back in competitions? Thats very..simplified. He could have stayed on tv, he did a tone of hosting shows etc. Or just skate in shows or his show. Japan/China/Korea could pretty much adopt him at this point.
    I didnt know there was a youtube war ala Yuna/Mao 2009 but I have yet to meet such a fanatic for any skaters, and I m glad I didnt know about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Well she probably isnt having the surgery, but she has a lingering injury which she probably wont be able to do the triple lutz again unless/until she has surgery.
    I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but Carolina doesn't have any physical problem landing triple lutzes, she landed several beautiful ones in practice all week in Sheffield, and she landed (but stepped out of) a big fully rotated one in the 6min warm up prior to her LP. She may not include one in the LP but she certainly has no physical problem stopping her landing them in practice and training.

    And you're all crazy, clearly what is going to happen in the run up to Sochi is Kevin VDP and Jenna McKorkell will start skating pairs representing GBR and suddnely find that performing together while in love will blow the rest of the field away. With their SBS triple lutzes and flips, and the unprecdented change in rules allowing Jenna to throw Kevin, with a throw 3A and throw 4T, Jenna and Kevin will be crowned the Olympic champions in Sochi. Better though is the fact the pairs competition will be decided first so GBR will be the first country to have Olympic gold in all four disciplines, Canada and Russia can fight for 2nd and 3rd
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