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Thread: Caroline Zhang - Can She Regain Her Spot Among The Top US Ladies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    How do coaches usually deal with skaters who want to try ambitious jumps?
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    Kwan and Oppegard are legit and I'm sure they will talk her out of it. It's understandable that the youngster in her wants to do all these flashy moves but the coaches have to share their wisdom and keep her on a winning path, which IMO is continuing to make the improvements that have brought her back near the top of US figure skating.
    Maybe her coaches are encouraging her with this jump. We don't know otherwise.

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    Maybe it's just the typical press statement. As I said EVERY high level lady skater says they're working on the 3A at some point (including Kwan) but very few back it up with even a credible attempt in competition or official practices. Maybe "working" on the 3A is Peter's and Karen's way of fixing her 2A.

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    A triple axel from Caroline? That would be something to see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Maybe it's just the typical press statement. As I said EVERY high level lady skater says they're working on the 3A at some point (including Kwan) but very few back it up with even a credible attempt in competition or official practices. Maybe "working" on the 3A is Peter's and Karen's way of fixing her 2A.
    Is there way for her coaches to link jump training to stroking practice. Kind of like, oh Caroline to get a really good entry on that jump you need to practice your edges?

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    I guess I could see if she works on the 3A in a harness she could learn to get more height for her 2A. It's just frustrating to hear that she wants to attempt the jump because she has almost closed the gap between her and the skaters ahead of her. A better 2A won't get as many points as improving her skating skills, and being able to do a LP 2 flips and a 3/3 would put her on par (jump-wise) with the best in the world.

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    I guess I am just glad to let Caroline be enthusiastic about skating/ready to work/not WANTING a break. And if she has fun working on the triple axel, go for it! Yes, sure, those other things mentioned are more important for her skill set, but I hear a skater who, after all these ups and downs, is still wanting to get out there and skate, and work at it, daily. Go, Caroline!

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    Is there way for her coaches to link jump training to stroking practice. Kind of like, oh Caroline to get a really good entry on that jump you need to practice your edges?
    Depends on the coach. I know the highest level coach at our rink has exercises for 2A that he makes his students do when they are working on it. It teaches all kinds of control (but many of those exercises are scary looking to me and even as I approach working on 2A, those exercises will NOT be part of my regimen). I know he has three skaters who are really close to landing 2A and one exercise is to have them do 1A and 2A from outside edge rolls on a line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Depends on the coach. I know the highest level coach at our rink has exercises for 2A that he makes his students do when they are working on it. It teaches all kinds of control (but many of those exercises are scary looking to me and even as I approach working on 2A, those exercises will NOT be part of my regimen). I know he has three skaters who are really close to landing 2A and one exercise is to have them do 1A and 2A from outside edge rolls on a line.
    This is kind of off-topic but as you prepare to work on your 2A, what kind of work do you need to do to get there? I wonder myself how coaches train skaters who can only do a single to do a double.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    A triple axel from Caroline? That would be something to see!
    It would be! And as much as I love Caroline, (I honestly idol her.) I'm just not sure she would be able to pull it off in competition. I mean sure its fun to try new things when you're messing around at practice but knowing how the judges KNOW HER WELL, the judges will be looking REALLY closely and will gut her for the slightest underrotation (and i mean like her 3lo-3lo at nationals WAS CLEAN, and its like almost impossible to do a loop in the second combination without some prerotation.. thats how loops work? lol)

    if she tries it she'll have to work on her technique and overall jumping height because it was someone like Midori Ito who flew like 4 feet into the air and span like a pencil for her to get her 3A completely rotated. Considering her body at the moment and her place in US skating, she should just focus on solidifying her 3lo-3lo, making another 3-3 consistent, getting her 2A consistent FIRST, and speed.

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    I'm happy for Caroline's progress this season when so many people have written her off last season. But shouldn't she be training to increase her speed instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    This is kind of off-topic but as you prepare to work on your 2A, what kind of work do you need to do to get there? I wonder myself how coaches train skaters who can only do a single to do a double.
    Most skaters have consistent 2+2 jumps when working on 2A's, specifically where the 2Lo is the second jump. A lot of coaches work 1A+1Lo+backspin, 1A+2Lo, 1A+backspin+2Lo and so on to get the feel of the rotation and snap needed for 2As. Depending on the coach, they may also work on *just* the step up into the Axel or *just* the snap over part.

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    i think she can do it if that is what caroline wants. she should be able to try without any kind of discouragement from anyone.

    that would be like me telling mao not to do /try a triple /triple, mirai not to try to do one.
    all skaters should be able to have the right to try and practice and compete with what they want with no one telling them they can't andor shouldn't.

    maybe i should tell some skaters/fans favorite not to do their jumps. which is absolutely wrong.

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    fairly, I don't think they are saying Caroline SHOULDN'T work on the 3A, I think people are SURPRISED given the unstableness of her 2A (complete stop before take off) and that there appear to be other things that should be a higher priority in the off season (more consistency on the 3+3, better 2A, more speed and flow).

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    She has already regained it as much as what she had before. Do keep in mind she was never the top American, nor did she ever qualify for a Worlds. Right now back as the 3rd or 4th best American, that is about what she was at her previous best so to the thread title mission already accomplished. The question now is what she has to do to remain there or even possibly move up from there next year. Wagner is coming on like a freight train and is clearly the #1 American for the moment, Czisny is still a favorite of the USFSA and her future towards Sochi could still be bright if she comes through at Worlds, Gold might be the U.S next It girl, and Nagasu, Agnes, and maybe even Gao still have all the potential in the World. I would say Zhang will have to have a similar improvement as she had over the last year if she wants to be in the top 2 or 3 at Nationals next year and make Worlds for the first time. It will be anything but easy.

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    I remember several women talking triple axel. It seems so unlikely for her and a PR thing. Just as Sasha was training her quad but never landed her triples consistently. It is nice Caroline is confident, but I think she was likely told to say that. Caroline may feel she can be national champion but with Ashley, Agnes and Gracie next season's senior debut, I doubt it will happen. And Alissa may stick around for two years an is a USFS favorite. Christina Gao is another skater that is a slow cooker, and I'd be surprised to see her do anything much internationally. But she is young and appears dedicated. I guess anything is possible. Caroline's bronze placements are nice and everyone is thrilled for her. She did a lot of work to skate this well, rework her technique but the triple axel? Oh, come on Caroline. Work on your stroking, speed, basic skating and edges. This skater has one move that makes her special. Other than that she is slow and very cute. I get they like her, and her famous coaches. But she's wasting time she does not have and focusing on something she doesn't need. A solid triple triple is worth more, isn't it?

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