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    Should Alissa use last year's long for Worlds

    Just My opinion but this current program just for me seems to be wrong vehicle for her. Does Anyone think she needs something more uplifting to skate to at Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skatetomusic View Post
    Just My opinion but this current program just for me seems to be wrong vehicle for her. Does Anyone think she needs something more uplifting to skate to at Worlds.
    No, it would be a terrible idea. It would be her and her team second-guessing herself, and a second-guessing Alissa is an Alissa that splats (more than usual).

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    not a good idea...the international judges seem to like it even if fans don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    No, it would be a terrible idea. It would be her and her team second-guessing herself, and a second-guessing Alissa is an Alissa that splats (more than usual).
    I shouldn't have even started this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skatetomusic View Post
    I shouldn't have even started this thread.
    Why not? It's as worthy a topic as any for us armchair skating coaches. And I did love her programs from last season. I seriously doubt anything we say here will affect Alissa. From what little I've read, Yuka seems to have a really good plan for building Alissa's confidence. It's worked out pretty well so far, and while Alissa may not win Worlds or do spectacularly well, I am reasonably sure that she won't do badly, either, with this year's program and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skatetomusic View Post
    I shouldn't have even started this thread.
    it was brutal/blunt, but SB had a valid point. the less second guessing the better.

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    I'm with SkatestoMusic. This year's LP only calls attention to Alissa's weaknesses. Pep it up a little so she has something to think about instead of worrying about falling on the next jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skatetomusic View Post
    I shouldn't have even started this thread.
    On the contrary,this is the kind of discussion topic that brings out the most interesting ideas. You didn't mean it in a snide or malicious manner; you really want Alissa to be at her best two years in a row. While I agree that it's too late to change the program without huge problems, I have wished as you have that Alissa had something with a bit more zing to it. Maybe next year!

    One thing that it would be interesting to hear from you all about is the kind of program that would be best for Alissa. I agree that she probably wouldn't do intense very well, but there's a wide range that's possible in lyricism. In such a situation I often think of chamber music, because there's a smooth melodic line that gives strength as well as beauty. Because I so often think of French music, I'm trying to avoid that now. A composer known for his lyricism and delicacy was Mendelssohn. I started at the top with his octet. This chamber work for eight string instruments is by common agreement one of the greatest chamber works ever written. And the guy was just sixteen when he wrote it. There are slow passages and a wonderful scherzo movement. Different parts could be edited together.

    Here's part of it if anyone wants to hear it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLe0T...eature=related

    Anyone else have any thoughts?

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    The program is horrible but it's too late for her to do major changes now.

    What she does need to do is go back to the dress from earlier in the season and make slight modifications to the jump layout so that it suits her best. She clearly can not do combinations with 3Toe on the end and needs to not attempt that at Worlds. This would be the ideal for her, without changing much from what she is used to and has been training:

    3Lutz
    3Flip
    3Toe
    -------
    3Lutz-2Toe
    2Axel-2Axel (she had this in her program a couple seasons ago and always hit it)
    3Loop-2Toe-2Loop
    3Loop

    It's annoying to me how she puts the Triple Loops back-to-back, but she has been training the program this way since TEB and has gotten them consistent, so that can not change now.

    Ironically, Alissa's technical score would be higher than anyone else except Mao Asada if she skated that layout cleanly. Correct-edge Lutzes are a big deal and the lack of a Salchow and 3-3 combination doesn't matter in this field since she has the Flip and Loops and gains more points in the non-jump areas than everyone else who has a more difficult jump layout than her. Given that Alissa also has a pretty good amount of judge favoritism on her side, her PCS will also be high if she just skates the program cleanly.

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    ^ All that may be true, but I think the (dreary) music and the (minimal) choreography is making it more likely that she will fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    No, it would be a terrible idea. It would be her and her team second-guessing herself, and a second-guessing Alissa is an Alissa that splats (more than usual).
    Word.

    What Czisny needs to do is this: land her jumps.

    (I know, crazy thought eh?)

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    out of all of alissa's programs i have liked dr. zhivago and winter into spring the best. they are pretty pieces of music but have lots of life to them and she skates beautifully to them. her current program is lacking a LOT of life. this is the program i have liked the least of hers. as long as she hits the jumps i will be happy as a clam. and if she does, she will most likely be top five, being that the the jump she fell on in the long last year at worlds is what kept her off the podium (would have taken 3rd). but i kind of can't wait for her to get a new program next year...

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    i agree with macy. her programs just aren't vibrant this year, but this is how her team wanted to package her. she's good enough that the program and costume really don't matter much if she skates well. but mathman makes a good point, maybe she can't skate it well because the music and choreography holds her back in some respects.

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    The long program in which Alissa skated to that soft, quiet music in a dress that looks like was made from blue toilet paper? That was pretty good.

    I was going to say the long program with soft quiet music only, but then I realised that applies to nearly all of her programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Business View Post
    No, it would be a terrible idea. It would be her and her team second-guessing herself, and a second-guessing Alissa is an Alissa that splats (more than usual).
    Totally agree! Someone described it as skating to her own funeral music lol As terrible as this music is as it makes her seem really slow and doesn't highlight her at all, it's too late. She should just go with it and do her best. Luckily the international judges do like her. If she skates clean and some of the other top ladies make mistakes, she could end up on the podium. Though it would be ironic if she ends up on the podium with easily her worse program ever. Maybe the judges won't notice the music and just see the striking picture she creates on the ice.

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