you dont say..Plush was beating his own world record (total, sp and lp) throught the whole olympiad losing gold only two times, something I m sure Patrick is set up to do now each season, saying that after Yagudin there was none to chase, but somehow I remember a different drum from you
But as I said it would be ridiculous for Chan not to believe /say sth like that, since it is pretty much true. Although in just my opinion I want to see both him and Daisuke totally clean in sp and lp, skate to their full potential.
Last edited by seniorita; 02-09-2012 at 01:42 PM.
Personally, I think Browning and Yagudin still have their years over Chan who needs more time to develop his artistry and versatility, to have a bigger and more varied repertoire, and to win more titles. But he is certainly among the best at his age, taking into consideration all aspects of figure skating. I don't think anyone has achieved his level in all areas of a program at 20 and now 21. (Of course, the sport progresses with time.) In fact, I think so far his biggest impact on the sport is combining quad jumps with exquisite and non stop footwork. This is one bar that has been permanently raised.
If we were to fairly compare these guys, we'd have to wait until Kurt retired fully from skating and Patrick hit whatever age Kurt retires at... comparing Pat's age now to what Kurt looked like at the same age - I think Patrick has him beat, based wholey on the choreography (I don't think Kurt's skating got interesting until Casablanca, even his exhibitions were subpar choreographically). Blade to ice, I still think Kurt had him beat. And Kurt's 3A is the best in the world IMO, so...
Last edited by Tonichelle; 02-09-2012 at 02:05 PM.
To recap: I don't think what Patrick said was arrogant. That won't change even if he loses worlds. And I stand by my statement of him being "blunt". It is a blunt thing to say, and not just from a PR standpoint, he is directly acknowledging to himself and everybody else that he has the most to lose right now, since he is the frontrunner. It works for him and it's great.
I believe that Scott Hamilton said that Kurt was the best skater he ever saw.Originally Posted by Tonichelle
And Marie Davis of Far Rckaway, New York, thinks that Scott is the best she has ever seen.
While I prefer the skating of everybody from Browning to Yagudin to Chan to Takahashi, Plushenko, to me, is undeniably the greatest male skater ever. His sheer technical wizardry in jumps, his speed and command, and of course, his longevity in a sport that has become increasingly unfriendly to long careers. No one else comes close to his dominance and consistency.
Also, Chan is not going to overtake Browning in the greatness department unless he wins a few more World gold and/or the Olympics.
In order to make my short list, a skater has to not only be technically superior, but also skate programs that I want to watch over and over again. Yagudin meets the test, as does Kurt. Chan and Takahashi are headed in that direction. Yagudin: Lawrence of Arabia, Nutrocker, Winter, Man in the Iron Mask, Gladiator. And that's in just four years in his senior career.
As far as humour and entertainment value are concerned, Plushenko and Hamilton are not my cup of tea.
Browning had said Plushenko has great feet back in 2005 -2006 even if he didnt like him, one of things that I had bookmarked because I liked how he said his opinion, something that changed around 2010.
What I like to watch on youtube or home is hardly what defines an athlete as greatest ever for the books. I m sure each one watches and finds memorable different programs from differents skaters. Btw the most watched skating video on YT apart from - anything of Yuna's of course- is Plushenko's sex bomb worlds 2001 with over 2 million views. I want to believe this is not supposed to be his best ever skate. Far behind PLu and Yag share the same almost views of their Olympic Lp. Stuff like that mean nothing. I never like greatest ever talks really.
Fifa made an online survey about who is the greatest footballer of all time at the end of the millenium, and Marandona won with 53.6% over Pele with 18.5%. But the survey on Fifa's magazine poll announced Pele the winner with 72.75 % to Maradona's 6%. It endeed up with the footballers taking double gold.
Me I vote for Messi.
Last edited by seniorita; 02-09-2012 at 06:20 PM.
Right now Chan has no charisma or performance ability on the ice. Maybe he will have some by Sochi and deliver a great program that is also audience friendly. I admire his technical ambition and it's great for HIM that he is a does what's necessary for high PCS slave but as of yet has nothing memorable in the program department.
Also I can't find a lot or really any where Plushenko did all his jumps in front of the judges!