But well, I do not know? Chan is clearly much less on the ball at the 4T deserve!Originally Posted by questar
By the way Plushenko got more of the components Chan!
But well, I do not know? Chan is clearly much less on the ball at the 4T deserve!
By the way Plushenko got more of the components Chan!
I can see. Taka had small underrotating at 3T. But the underrotating smaller than 1/4 of the turn shouldn`t get minus GOE. Isn`t it?
How many passports he has? Will he be skating for Korea as well since he is also partially of Korean descent. Or maybe Russian one day? He is literally a citizen of the world, the embodiment of multiculturalism.
To me, calling PCS as presentation score is absolutely incorrect. The commentator was misleading the viewers. The word "presentation" gives the impression of "performance". 1/5 of PCS is performance and execution. And Dai got it higher than Chan because of Chan's lackluster performance.
I have to say that it was such a stupid effort from Peter Carruthers like Scott Hamilton has done.
I agree with you on #1 and #2. I think it should have been ruled as a fall. So Chan's score should have been 86.95 instead of 87.95. Patrick wasn't tight at all. In fact, he was too loose. Besides 4T, he did everything he was supposed to do and did very well. I think his interpretation was very fit in the theme and music. This is one of those themes that one could skate it in a careless fashion and still be ruled as great in interpretation. The only thing he was somewhat missing was his passion. So he got PE lower than Takahashi's. How much lower should he get compare with Takahashi? I can't tell since I'm not the judge and I wasn't there in the arena, like everyone else who has posted on the subject so far in this thread.
I disagree with your #3. As I've said, I believe Patrick took the edge on SS, TR, even CH. Both Chan and Takahashi got marks in IN ranged from 8.00 to 9.00. Chan got two 9.00 and two 8.00. Takahashi got one 9.00 and one 8.00. In the end, Chan's IN was 8.54. Takahashi's was 8.46. I don't see unfairness here. It was matter of tastes among the judges. If I were to mark IN on both skaters, I'd have given Chan a slight edge over Takahashi. But Takahashi was definitely better in PE!
So I'm not surprised that Chan's total PCS was a little bit higher than Takahashi's.
Everyone knows that Seniorita is a nicest person. That doesn't mean that her view points are always correct. I think Wallylutz used a bit strong tones like always, but his arguments were knowledgable and reasonable.
LOL, yes, rules should have been this and that AFTER Chan made this or that mistake. It'd not be an issue until Chan did it.
Eh, he UR 2 jumps, falls on his butt....and it's only about 5 point difference?
No, not yet; hence my "slow and steady reference." I think because he's not rushing with the quad people tend to look him over (and rightfully so, for example, Denis Ten's program had nearly 5 more base points because of the quad). That said, Miner has been really clean lately and hitting his element with positive +GOE on his jumps and getting the levels (all level 4s except for step sequence which is level 3). I agree with you Miner needs the quad, but I see him sneaking up there if he does.
Speaking of levels, did anyone notice that Richard, Denis Ten and Adam got all level 4s. Patrick got level 4 steps but a level 3 on his combo steps. So did Daisuke (level 4 steps), but he got a level 2 spin.
Last edited by Mrs. P; 02-10-2012 at 11:27 AM.
I see. You love dai so much. It is time to go to bed. I just hope dai and patrick will give a good performance tomorrow. I was disappointed. especially with patrick.
Last edited by questar; 02-10-2012 at 11:33 AM.
:sheesh:
Dai already got tech penalties, should his spin score got deduct because he fell on his butt in jumps as well? Can you explain how under rotated jumps should lessen his PCS?
The difference in total scores between Dai and Patrick is about 4 points, which can be accounted for from their quads. They are almost even on the PCS, with 0.27 advantage to Patrick, and the rest of the executed elements sort of even themselves out with small difference of less than a point for each. Both their quads received -3 GOE from all judges but Dai suffered a 3 point BV loss due to the UR, plus 1 point deduction for the fall. There you have the 4 points which showed up in the Total.
It's almost incredible, though I shouldn't be surprised, that the focus of arguments is on Chan's fall, even when there wasn't one while Dai had a a butt on the ice fall. When Chan falls, his PCS should severely reflect poor skating skills and serious interruption of the performance. When Dai falls, accolades pour in declaring the skate the the most exciting and heart appealing performance deserving the highest PCS possible. And he does receive high PCS at all his competitions, regardless of how many times he falls. At GPF, there was an outraged focus on one of the 162 marks given Daisuke deemed unfair and corrupt. Now nobody has noted a very generous judge who also awarded him the out of corridor +3 GOE on his jump combo. Nothing against Dai, but the fans' double standard is too ridiculously blatant and ingrained.
While someone claimed favoritism from the network for Chan and against Rippon, I saw clueless camera work and biased commentator misleading skating fans. Much of Chan's one foot footwork, a highlight and showcase of his skating skills, was not shown, with not a word of mention from the commentator who went on and on about excitement being the determining factor for scoring and winning after both Chan's and Takahashi's performances. There appeared a total lack of understanding of the scoring system currently in place. This is doing the fans and the sport no favor. In contrast, Canadian commentators such as Kurt Browning are often very educational, helping fans understand and enjoy figure skating and competitions.
Last edited by SkateFiguring; 02-10-2012 at 11:39 AM.
I saw this photo now
http://sport.ria.ru/figure_skating/2...561937997.html
It`s fall because if Patric would took his hands from the ice at this moment he would be on ice as he couldn`t be on his legs. (Tarasova explained ).
Yes I know, thats the most funny part! I think mushrooms travelled to Europe this time, and judges misread pcs to PE=Plushenko Evgeni and Ch=Charisma.
But I wish there is a component that shows that the skater does actually enjoy skating instead of looking like to faint for anxiety (hello Abott). Maybe this is what I liked in Daisuke.
Of course my rule should apply only to Chan because he is so outstanding
Seriously, I had an issue with it at Cup of Russia as well and started a thread about it
That's clearly a fall. There is no doubt in my mind that most of his body weight is on his hands. It's funny that Peter Carruthers implied Chan's 4T might not be fully rotated. He said, "spinning out, not even able to complete the first, and no second jump." Too bad, there was no slow motion for his "non-fall" to let the viewers see it clearly. Did Chan's high score surprised Peter? "Yes, it does," he said, "considering it did not have that excitement he usually had. I think it was just judging off the world results of that point. Do you understand what I mean by that?"
Last edited by skatinginbc; 02-10-2012 at 12:31 PM.
Jinlin Guan SP
I really like his skating after watching this. Too bad he only did a 2A but he stayed clean, right?
Mura and Machida both were very impressive but I find their footwork sequences somewhat frantic, and not relating to or interpreting the music much, especially when skating to Aranjuez in contrast with Chan's footwork sequences. It seems the young Japanese are adopting the busy style of Daisuke without his artistry, while the Chinese are focusing more on the flow and more lyrical movements nowadays.
Can't wait to see Mura's LP choreographed by Lambiel, whose every move is articulate and is never frantic.
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