02-10-2012, 02:09 PM
You are probably being at least partly humorous here but I think this is an excellent point. Perhaps at least a bullet point under PE? Though I wouldn't want it to result in skaters plastering frozen smiles on their faces throughout their programs to "prove" their "enjoyment.". Still I like the notion of making it look like fun! Or at least not terrifying. (agree re Abbott)
Originally Posted by seniorita
02-10-2012, 02:12 PM
Just watched and thanks for the links and all the commentary. I have to agree with IP here....I felt that was a fall and should have had -1; but, I also thought Chan still one on tech (and I think that Dai's spins traveled a bit compared to chan in addition to the tightness on the combo jump and the 'bigger' fall on the 4). I also thought that Dai could have had some higher pcs....and that Chan's power/energy or spark was lacking somewhat. So, I think final SP scores for these two should be closer than they are, although they are not currently 'light years' away from each other either. It is a pleasure to watch these two go head to head, and can't wait for LPs and of course, worlds (with Abbott too!).
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
ETA skatefiguring - i agree that Dai fell and fell on his butt...Chan's slip was not the same; however, it looked to me as if more weight was on his hands in that forward position than on the blades, which is why I think it was technically or fairly a fall. However, once again he amazes me as it is clear he was pulling in his core strength to stay as much on the blades as possible and popped back to vertical very fast; and then skated clean after that. Impressive. SS I would give to Chan on this, but I think I would have given PE and IN to Dai. AGain, I really feel that the scores are not far off - I just think there should have been -1 on Chan's quad and maybe one point wiggle room to give Dai a little more of PCS
ETA 2 - was that Peter C commentating? Gotta, say, it may look a lot different live, but just rewatching these two, I don't really know what he is seeing (would love to give him the benefit of the doubt; but sounds like what someone else said before, he's judging via 6.0 eyes, and this does not help the viewers understand anything). Still can't wait for the LPs!!
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02-10-2012, 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by seniorita
Oh, that's unfair to Abbott! He doesn't want to look scared or terrifying. He wants to show his true enjoyment in skating which he really truly does. I do not agree to add such bullet point anywhere. It cannot cover all kinds of music and emotions. It can only represent for certain themes. "Look like fun" has such narrow range in terms of music choosing and programing.
Originally Posted by rallycairn
02-10-2012, 02:59 PM
Thanks to all those who posted in this thread about the competition, sounds like it was interesting to say the least. I hope that Ross will be able to skate another clean LP and looking forward to see how Dai and Patrick do as well.
ETA- Love, love, love the ignore function on this board!
02-10-2012, 03:06 PM
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02-10-2012, 03:10 PM
Constable , Costume Police
Yep. Shoulda been a fall.
I love both Patrick and Dai's skating , think Dai is the greater artist in terms of musical expression, and am glad to see Patrick trying to develop this side of his performance. Neither was perfect this time out .
I've barely seen anything..only what's been posted here , but can we hear it for the great job done by the other two Japanese skaters , Mura and Machida ? Lots to like there, and they both seem to be developing in a very balanced way , technically and artistically. Kudos , guys !
02-10-2012, 03:13 PM
Wicked Yankee Girl
Indeed, the ignore function is very useful, if there are posters whom you think never contribute anything interesting to the conversation. Unfortunately, mods are not allowed to use it
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And yes, I loved both Mura's and Machida's and Miner's SP's, and loved to see how happy each was with his performance. May all the Three M's have a great LP!
02-10-2012, 03:20 PM
I was cracking up at Peter Caruthers commentary on Dai and Chan. I kind of like that he was voicing his honest feelings. He almost sounded fed up and decided he was going to say what he truly felt.
I love Dai and I like Chan but I don't know how I would put the placements. However I do think Dai should have the best pcs scores base on what took place in this competition.
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02-10-2012, 03:30 PM
Maybe Peter was speechless with shock/surprise instead? Having finally watched the SPs myself, I don't think it's a far-out opinion at all that maybe, just maybe, Daisuke should have received higher PCS. Peter's reaction wasn't so very different from the reactions of the British Eurosport guys or Michael Weiss and co. at the GPF LP vis-a-vis Daisuke's and Patrick's PCS.
Originally Posted by wallylutz
02-10-2012, 03:44 PM
02-10-2012, 03:50 PM
That's why I think Patrick and Dai's gap should be wider. Either Patrick's score was low, or Dai's score was inflated. TES score was fine as you mentioned, each got -3GOE and Dai got another penalty for UR and fall. However, in terms of PCS, Patrick's transition, skating skill and choreo should be alot higher than Dai. Dai did NOT get penalized much in the PCS for a flaw skate. The difference was less than a point is ridiculous.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
02-10-2012, 03:53 PM
thanks for the link to Machida!! He looked like he was having a blast! Good for him. I really love his costume!
Skatefiguring....you are right about camera work; i totally forgot about Chan's one foot footwork - it was only after viewing and thinking about it for a while that I realized 'something was missing'....then I read your comment as was like, oh right, that whole length of the rink was done on one foot but you couldn't tell from the camera work.
02-10-2012, 03:55 PM
First time I saw the rulebook....um, I see many pairs side by side jumps have the same issue, hands touch down...I don't record they consider that as a fall either.
Originally Posted by Spun Silver
02-10-2012, 03:55 PM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
The tech callers again show their ineptitude.
Not just on failing to give the fall deduction either. They gave Patrick Chan's change-of-foot camel spin a Level 4 even though it should have only been Level 3. It's the exact same spin he has been doing all season long and there were only 3 features in it, not 4. ***?!?
I most definitely feel they were also wrong in calling Takahashi's Quad as underrotated. Look at the point he leaves the ice. He's getting air rotations immediately, with less pre-rotation than normal. Besides that, he really lands right at the 1/4 turn mark anyway, in terms of if he had left the ice facing completely towards the boards (which he didn't, he left the ice before that and got more rotation).
You take away 1.4 points from Chan for the fall and undeserved extra level bonus he got on the spin, and add 3.1 points to Takahashi for the underrotation hit he shouldn't have received, then the scores are accurate (Chan would then be leading by only .86 points). Chan's 3Lutz-3Toe was better than Takahashi's 3Lutz-3Toe (and the judges actually gave Takahashi too much credit on that element with the GOE marks), so with that you can say Chan deserved a small lead in the SP.
02-10-2012, 04:00 PM
I actually watched the competition on UN in real time. I saw both skaters "fall". So there is no need to keep repeating yourself.
Originally Posted by jettasian
It is clear to me how the judges scored Dai in comparison to Patrick in this competition, 5 points. The score has been entered
and it is a lock.