LADIES LONG PROGRAM Thread

herro · Feb 11, 2012

Nadine said:
The question comes down to:

When skated clean, who will score better?

Phaneuf? Or Lacoste.

Hands down Phaneuf...and there you have it...

Yea but it doesn't matter since neither of them can skate clean programs.

I would say it's fairer to send Amelie since she's beaten Cynthanny throughout this season (although I personally prefer Cynthanny). They can't base their decision based on potential. Actual results are more important in my opinion.

Man, I can't stop with the whole Cynthanny thing. :laugh:

drivingmissdaisy · Feb 11, 2012

Nadine said:
The question comes down to:

When skated clean, who will score better?

Phaneuf? Or Lacoste.

Hands down Phaneuf...and there you have it...

Shouldn't likelihood of skating clean factor in as well?

Violet Bliss · Feb 11, 2012

They need a skate off at lowland. Send Amelie only after she has changed her hair stylist, or go to one.

Nadine · Feb 11, 2012

Yes, and both are in a virtual tie with "likelihood" as well.

One wants to send one's BEST SKATER, regardless of anything else, that is what's most important, and Cynthia Phaneuf is that person.

Kissx3 · Feb 11, 2012

Nadine said:
The question comes down to:

When skated clean, who will score better?

Phaneuf? Or Lacoste.

Hands down Phaneuf...and there you have it...

Exactly, and it wouldn't even be close. But then the odds of either one of them skating a clean program, nevermind two back to back, seem ridiculously poor. And I do feel bad for Amelie who has basically been slapped in the face already with this skate off. Canada is in a difficult position.

ImaginaryPogue · Feb 11, 2012

Eh, the algebra doesn't work like that. Who cares how they'll score if they skate clean if skating clean is a figment of the imagination? We've been told about Phaneuf's potential. We've not seen a demonstration in two years. We've been told that Phaneuf will score better than LaCoste with the international judges. That didn't happen this season. We've been told that the judges prefer Phaneuf. We've just seen LaCoste beat Phaneuf of friggin PCS. If Skate Canada tries to send Phaneuf, I will be livid.

Spun Silver · Feb 11, 2012

blue_idealist said:
Bingwa's skate was really rough, I actually stopped watching.

If this is the first time you stopped watching tonight, you get the gold medal.

Props to Binwa Geng for skating to Wagner! Aspire to be a hero!

evangeline · Feb 11, 2012

Nadine said:
Yes, and both are in a virtual tie with "likelihood" as well.

One wants to send one's BEST SKATER, regardless of anything else, that is what's most important, and Cynthia Phaneuf is that person.

....if Cynthia's the BEST skater, then why can't she beat an inferior skater like Amelie?

ks777 · Feb 11, 2012

whatever happened to Megan Williams-Stewart?

drivingmissdaisy · Feb 11, 2012

Aww Amelie is Canada's Rachel Flatt

Mao88 · Feb 11, 2012

Position After 16 Of 24

1. Amelie LACOSTE (CAN) - 147.65 (FS = 95.93 (TES: 43.84, PCS: 53.09, DED: 1.00))
2. Cynthia PHANEUF (CAN) - 147.47 (FS = 96.71 (TES: 44.83, PCS: 51.88))
3. Haruka IMAI (JPN) - 134.49 (FS = 89.30 (TES: 49.05, PCS 42.25, DED: 2.00))
4. Bingwa GENG (CHN) - 127.89 (FS = 80.91 (TES: 37.02, PCS: 45.89, DED: 2.00))
5. Alexandra NAJARRO (CAN) - 117.11 (FS = 80.03 (TES: 40.29, PCS: 40.74, DED: 1.00))
6. Melinda WANG (TPE) - 103.69 (FS = 68.34 (TES: 32.15, PCS: 36.19))
7. Sandra KHOPON (THA) - 103.15 (FS = 67.57 (TES: 35.39, PCS: 32.18))
8. Qiuying ZHU (CHN) - 102.77 (FS = 66.34 (TES: 34.09, PCS: 34.25, DED: 2.00))
9. Chantelle KERRY (AUS) - 102.49 (FS = 70.21 (TES: 37.72, PCS: 32.49))
10. Mimi Tanasorn CHINDASOOK (THA) - 97.19 (FS = 59.96 (TES: 28.04, PCS: 32.92, DED: 1.00))
11. Yea-Ji YUN (KOR) - 96.85 (FS = 64.39 (TES: 33.50, PCS: 31.89, DED: 1.00))
12. Melanie SWANG (THA) - 96.16 (FS = 64.95 (TES: 36.05, PCS: 28.90))
13. Chae-Yeon SUHR (KOR) - 94.95 (FS = 58.41 (TES: 28.47, PCS: 31.94, DED: 2.00))
14. Lejeanne MARAIS (RSA) - 94.34 (FS = 62.19 (TES: 30.20, PCS: 32.07))
15. Crystal KIANG (TPE) - 93.79 (FS = 62.88 (TES: 31.61, PCS: 31.27))
16. Zhaira COSTINIANO (PHI) - 87.26 (FS = 56.93 (TES: 27.64, PCS: 30.29, DED: 1.00))

Spun Silver · Feb 11, 2012

drivingmissdaisy said:
Shouldn't likelihood of skating clean factor in as well?

Oh come on. Neither one of them is ever going to skate clean and you know it!

Najarro is a better investment than either of these.

Rachmaninoff · Feb 11, 2012

herro said:
Yea but it doesn't matter since neither of them can skate clean programs.

I would say it's fairer to send Amelie since she's beaten Cynthanny throughout this season (although I personally prefer Cynthanny). They can't base their decision based on potential. Actual results are more important in my opinion.

Man, I can't stop with the whole Cynthanny thing.

Ditto everything you said here. And I'm in favor of Cynthanny becoming her permanent nickname. :biggrin:

drivingmissdaisy said:
Shouldn't likelihood of skating clean factor in as well?

Exactly. Why should it come down to who'd skate better when skating clean, if nobody's freaking skating clean anyway?

Violet Bliss · Feb 11, 2012

Amelie beat Cynthany. Send Cynthia.

skatinginbc · Feb 11, 2012

Amelie got higher PCSs in every category except IN. I guess Cynthia must have skated really slow.

mystichaze · Feb 11, 2012

I feel for the Canadians when it comes to their ladies. As much as I like Cythanny (ha!) Amelie beat her here again, even though by the slightest of all margins.

herro · Feb 11, 2012

Rachmaninoff said:
And I'm in favor of Cynthanny becoming her permanent nickname.

For sure. I actually think it's a pretty cute nickname. Thank you, annoying announcer!

mylastduchess · Feb 11, 2012

Nadine said:
The question comes down to:

When skated clean, who will score better?

Phaneuf? Or Lacoste.

Hands down Phaneuf...and there you have it...

SO you count 3 popped jumps and a single axel clean?

Kypma · Feb 11, 2012

Nadine said:
The question comes down to:

When skated clean, who will score better?

Phaneuf? Or Lacoste.

Hands down Phaneuf...and there you have it...

ImaginaryPogue said:
Eh, the algebra doesn't work like that. Who cares how they'll score if they skate clean if skating clean is a figment of the imagination? We've been told about Phaneuf's potential. We've not seen a demonstration in two years. We've been told that Phaneuf will score better than LaCoste with the international judges. That didn't happen this season. We've been told that the judges prefer Phaneuf. We've just seen LaCoste beat Phaneuf of friggin PCS. If Skate Canada tries to send Phaneuf, I will be livid.

Clean is great and all, but Amélie has beaten Cynthia for the third time this season, in head-to-head competition, and neither is known for skating clean. Shouldn't that count as well, Nadine? I understand everyone has their favourites, but considering the circumstances it's not like it's the first competition of the season in which Cynthia is second to Amélie, and by only a small margin - it's the *third* time. And Amélie is ahead by virtue of her PCS scores here, so, really, if Skate Canada still sends Cynthia... then I'm ashamed of my federation.

(Imaginary Pogue, I quoted you because that's exactly what I think!)

ETA:

mylastduchess said:
SO you don't count 3 popped jumps and a single axel clean?

I think by clean, we're referring to no pops, or at least only one. Pops are costly, too, in COP. In fact, I think this was discussed yesterday - a fall on a 3Lz is still worth more than a 1Lz (which is worth almost nothing after the negative GoE).

evangeline · Feb 11, 2012

Well......not Victoria's night either. Hopefully the final group has fewer meltdowns, because the skating is getting a bit difficult to watch at this point.

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