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waltzjump

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Beautiful dances for the top four.
Interesting how Virtue/Moir actually won free dance in both face-to-face competitions, GPF and 4CC. And they won by technical score, while Davis/White both times got higher PCS.
Judges definitely love Das Fledermaus: a spot on Funny Face couldn't beat in program components a laboured Fledermaus.
I think the levels were right: I for first noticed a lack of complete rotation in D/W spin. But I don't understand the level 3 twizzles.

Generally, I am not totally persuaded of level calls.
Let's take the Short dance at this competition.
Looking at the protocols, only Madison Hubbel and Xiaoyang Yu, the Chinese lady, did correctly the chocktaw in the Rhumba sequence.
I'm a bit perplexed. Eight of the world class ice dancers attended the competition, and none of them did perfectly the difficult choctaw; only two second tier ladies succeeded.
Well, everything is possible, but I see some randomness.
 

tulosai

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Yes, I'm puzzled by the twizzle call, especially.

I'm glad it's not just me who didn't understand about the twizzles. I actually went and looked up the levels to try to better understand but was unable to see why they were called level 3/
 

Artistry

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I stand by my right to express my immediate reactions to behind the scenes footage. If I’m wrong - fine, but last time I checked, discussion boards and forums on the internet are just that - places for opinion and discussion, and free expression (unless it’s profane). They are not academic conferences or the Washington Post. I don’t have to cite my sources or worry about expressing just an impression unsupported by facts. I was just watching some behind-the-scenes footage that is rarely accessible to me, and it just SEEMED that something was different. If it’s the altitude or other reasons (like other posters said - waiting for Charlie or whatever) that caused what I saw as some tension in body language- I guess I was wrong. I rarely post anyway, and am hardly involved in gossip or intrigues, I just commented on my IMPRESSION of some moments. Sorry! If you think my comment was “gossip” you should really read some Russian boards. They’re much worse, and often offensive.

If everything is fine with V/M and D/W - great! My mistake.
 

dorispulaski

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Golden Skate is not just a board, it's a news service. And it has an owner, Paula. We are well aware that other sites have other rules. But at GS, the rules are Paula's rules. If the moderators feel that a comment does not meet Paula's rules, that comment will disappear. If the comment severely violates Paula's rules, depending on the severity of the offense, the moderators have several choices to make. A personal message mayl be sent to the poster, or a formal warning may be issued to the poster, or an infraction will be issued to the poster.
 

Artistry

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Golden Skate is not just a board, it's a news service. And it has an owner, Paula. We are well aware that other sites have other rules. But at GS, the rules are Paula's rules. If the moderators feel that a comment does not meet Paula's rules, that comment will disappear. If the comment severely violates Paula's rules, depending on the severity of the offense, the moderators have several choices to make. A personal message mayl be sent to the poster, or a formal warning may be issued to the poster, or an infraction will be issued to the poster.

Ok, well, I’ll try to adhere to the rules in the guidelines of this forum that I just reviewed and speak only about on-ice events. However, there will always be something, as the original poster who brought up this tangent said, that touches a nerve or may offend someone, without actually breaking any rules. BTW, I’ve read quite a lot of material here in the past that is speculation and completely subjective individual opinion. Would you agree that the news service is separate in tone from the forum? I find it so, and usually read the articles for news, and the forum for opinions...
 

dorispulaski

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Ok, well, I’ll try to adhere to the rules in the guidelines of this forum that I just reviewed and speak only about on-ice events.

Which is what qualifies us to speak of Barbara's glare of death: it was definitely an on-ice event!
 

dorispulaski

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Indeed :laugh:

Now if skater X publishes a book about her fight with anorexia, or if skater Y says her coach is a sleazebag in an interview, or Johnny Weir has a press conference to come out of the closet, we would discuss all those items because they now have a source.

But if someone thinks Z's costume looks gay so he must be gay, or if someone things skater W scowled at his coach in the KnC, and therefore his coach is a sleazebag, or if skater Q looks really thin and must be anoexia, that is the kind of stuff we don't do.
 
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Tonichelle

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Awww, how cute and heart warming. However, it would help figure skating's popularity greatly if these teams care to do a frienemy play for public consumption. Just act like they are bitter enemies and throw a few insults at each other when reporters and photographers are around and never get caught shaking hands behind the scene again. All for the greater good, guys.

after living through the Evan & Johnny Wars... I don't find the petty bickering all that entertaining...
 

Scrufflet

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Which is what qualifies us to speak of Barbara's glare of death: it was definitely an on-ice event!

Whenever I see a paricularly laser look from one of the skaters (with the exception of Babs), I alone know exactly what said skater is thinking of.............

Spoiler
Spoiler

Laundry!
 

veravina

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No. They beat them at the GPF twice, in 2009/2010, and again this year in 2011/2012 season, as well as at Worlds in 2011. They also technically beat them in the 2010/2011 season at 4CC's, but that should not be counted either way, since V&M were ahead in the SD, but withdrew in the FD.

However, your point that V&M should not be buried prematurely is very, very true. On any day, either of the 2 teams could win, I think.

However, I completely disagree that the fact that V&M love their Funny Face program (or for that matter that D&W love their Der Fledermaus program) should be what matters to the judges.

IMO

That should not matter to the judges at all.

It should not even matter to the judges whether the judges like the music or not.

What should matter to the judges is how they skate to their music, and how that skating conforms to the rules, both for TES and PCS.

If it mattered whether the judges liked the music, I doubt very much that D&W would have won with Il Postino.
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I thought what I was saying was fairly straight forward but apparently not. With reference to D&W's winning streak - they've beaten V&M only twice since the Olympics. That's the only point I was making.

Also I didn't say the judges should judge it because V&M love it, but because they skate it well.
 

dorispulaski

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I'm still not getting your point then. I fail to see why the 2010 Four Continents, which was a couple of week before the Olympics doesn't count.

And if you agree that the choice of music doesn't, and shouldn't, count in scoring, then I am even more baffled.
 

rvi5

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I'm guessing Veravina is referring to D&W winning streak (continuous wins) since 2010 Worlds when they last lost to V&M. Veravina may be pointing out that V&M and D&W have not crossed paths often since the 2010 Worlds competition, due to Tessa's surgery/recovery. During the period since Worlds 2010, V&M lost to D&W twice (not counting the withdrawl).


...I fail to see why the 2010 Four Continents, which was a couple of week before the Olympics doesn't count...
Actually V&M and D&W were not at the 4CC before the Vancouver 2010 Olympics. As I recall, Kaitlyn Weaver and Andrew Poje won that event. In any case, that occurred before 2010 Worlds and would not have counted as part of the "winning streak".

...am I misunderstanding this discussion? (I haven't read the entire thread)
 
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ImaginaryPogue

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I'm still not getting your point then. I fail to see why the 2010 Four Continents, which was a couple of week before the Olympics doesn't count.

And if you agree that the choice of music doesn't, and shouldn't, count in scoring, then I am even more baffled.

2011...given that V/M withdrew, is it really fair to say they beat them? 2010, neither were at. And since V/M won the Olympics and Worlds after, wouldn't contribute to a streak anyway.
 

Sea Shells

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Apologies if this is in the wrong place. It's my first post.

I watched the Four Continents Dance LP today......along with the altitude puffing. I felt sorry for them. The results were disappointing for me. V&M won in my opinion because their dance routine was nowhere near as energetic or powerful as that of D&W. Over my years of watching these couples, without a doubt my votes go to D&W, for their interpretation, music selection and sheer strength. The power of D&W is awesome.

I don't know how to subscribe to notifications re threads I've posted in. OK, I've found it. :rolleye:
 
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dorispulaski

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Sea Shells, welcome to Golden Skate! We hope you will post long and often! I always am thrilled to see another ice dance fan here.

If you have any problems with the site, please don't hesitate to ask us, either in the Feedback forum, or by PM'ing a moderator.
 

veravina

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You're correct rvi5 - apparently my comment irritated someone. I'll try to refrain from doing so again.
 
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