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Can Takahashi Close The Gap On Patrick Chan?

gkelly

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I love sequences with the half loop, they are so cool and the skaters who do them seem light on their feet. What other sequence is possible to do?


2A+1Lo+3S
2A+1Lo+2F
3T+1Lo+3S
3A+1Lo+3F

The jump after the half loop will be double or triple salchow or flip.
The first jump can be anything. The women are more likely to use a double axel or easier triple; the top men are more likely to use a harder triple.

At lower levels, the jumps will be doubles, or single axel. When I skated in the 1970s, I remember seeing single axel-half loop-double salchow from skaters around intermediate level.

Or did you mean sequences with other intervening jumps other than half loop? Those would still receive the 0.8 multiplier under the IJS rules.
 

ivy

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When many top skaters start including two quads leading up to Sochi, I think second 3A will become the 'key' for OGM.

I can see this happening, but unless lot's more skaters start adding more then one type of quad to their repertoire it would be the end of 4x3 and 3x3 jump combos in those Men's programs. Would have to be 4T-2T, 4T, 3A-2Lo, 3A. If that becomes the 'gold' standard, I do think we may have to start looking at changing the Zayak rule.

gkelly - Would it be possible to switch edges over in after landing a 1/2 loop and do a lutz as the 2nd jump? or would that get a SEQ call?
 

gkelly

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gkelly - Would it be possible to switch edges over in after landing a 1/2 loop and do a lutz as the 2nd jump? or would that get a SEQ call?

It would theoretically be possible but I've never seen it done.

It would get a SEQ call, so it's not worth doing under IJS.
 

skatinginbc

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What would the podium results have been for men's competitions last year if zero point was given to a fallen jump? Here are the results:

2011 Worlds:
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 280.98
2. Takahiko KOZUKA (2): 258.41
3. Artur GACHINSKI (3): 241.86 )
4. Nobunari ODA (6): 232.50 :rock:
5. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (5): 232.97 – 2.52 = 230.38
6. Florent AMODIO (7): 229.68
7. Brian JOUBERT (8): 227.67
8. Michal BREZINA (4): 233.61 – 4.5 – 3.73 = 225.38
9. Richard DORNBUSH (9): 222.42
10. Ross MINER (11): 217.93 :)

2011 Skate America
1. Michal BREZINA (1): 216.00 – 2.52 = 213.48
2. Kevin VAN DER PERREN (2): 212.48
3. Takahiko KOZUKA (3): 212.09 – 4.20 – 4.20 – 3.90 = 199.79
4. Richard DORNBUSH (4): 202.27 – 3.51 = 198.76

2011 Skate Canada
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 253.74 -7.59 = 246.15
2. Javier FERNANDEZ (2): 250.33 – 5.50 = 244.83
3. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (3): 237.87
4. Adam RIPPON (4): 217.97 – 3.90 = 214

2011 Cup of China
1. Nan SONG (3): 226.75 :)
2. Nobunari ODA (2): 227.11 – 1.60 = 225.51
3. Jeremy ABBOTT (1): 228.49 – 7.30 = 221.19
4. Artur GACHINSKI (5): 222.54 – 7.30 = 215.24

2011 NHK
1. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (1): 259.75 – 5.60 = 254.15
2. Takahiko KOZUKA (2): 235.02 – 5.06 = 230.02
3. Ross MINER (3): 212.36
4. Samuel CONTESTI (4): 209.69 – 0.90 = 208.79

2011 TEB
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 240.60 – 4.20 = 236.40
2. Nan SONG (2): 224.10
3. Michal BREZINA (3): 218.60
4. Adam RIPPON (4): 217.89

2011 Cup of Russia
1. Javier FERNANDEZ (2): 241.63 :)
2. Yuzuru HANYU (1): 241.66 – 7.73 = 233.93
3. Jeremy ABBOTT (3): 229.08
4. Michal BREZINA (4): 226.35

2011 GPF
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 260.30 – 4.1 – 4.5 = 251.7
2. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (2): 249.12
3. Javier FERNANDEZ (3): 247.55
4. Yuzuru HANYU (4): 245.82

2012 4CC
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 273.94
2. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (2): 244.33 – 4.2 = 240.13
3. Ross MINER (3): 223.23 – 4.5 = 218.73
4. Takahito MURA (5): 217.16 :)
5. Adam RIPPON (4): 221.55 – 4.2 – 2.1 = 215.25

So, do you like the partial-credit system better or the no-credit system better?
 
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let`s talk

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OMG:laugh: The music is funny and adds to the hilarity of the video. I thought Patrick and Dai look very 'loving'... when Patrick kind of help him to get on the ice. For a moment, I thought they are going to skate away hand in hand. :biggrin:
LOL. I see some guy is trying to put his both hands on Dai's body and Dai is doing his best to stay polite. :laugh:
 

Bluebonnet

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I think it showed both Patrick and Dai's mutual respect to each other and close friendship. No bitterness between them, unlike some of the fans.:p
 
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Bluebonnet

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Sigh! A Chan-hater is a Chan-hater. If we are watching the same video, Dai is the one that touched Patrick first!

Exactly! And then Patrick was polite to do the same. Funny a simple gesture could be made into a totally opposit conclusion. How could their skating be not to?!
 
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Violet Bliss

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I think skatinginbc says it best - "consenting adults" :biggrin: and I'd add to Bluebonnet's "mutual respect" with "mutual affection". :)

Fine model of international and interracial friendship amidst intense rivalry and some language barrier. :cool:
 

Bluebonnet

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I think skatinginbc says it best - "consenting adults" :biggrin: and I'd add to Bluebonnet's "mutual respect" with "mutual affection". :)

Nay! I don't know why people constantly choose these kinds of words, like "loving", "couple", or "mutual affection" to describe a friendship between two men?:disapp:

Fine model of international and interracial friendship amidst intense rivalry and some language barrier. :cool:

That could be the main reason to use of more body languages.
 

Violet Bliss

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Bluebonnet, there is a lot of affection in all kinds of relationships regardless of genders, e.g those between family members like between a parent or grandparent and a child, between siblings, or other relatives. Affection exists among friends outside of coupledom too. My canine soulmate and I had the greatest affection for each other.
 

demarinis5

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You know I viewed this video a few days ago and thought about posting it here cuz I knew Dai and Patrick's fans would appreciate seeing
it, but I decided against it. I can't understand why some posters always find a way to be snarky no matter what the discussion is about.
I guess I will have to use my ignore feature more often. lol
 

Bluebonnet

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Bluebonnet, there is a lot of affection in all kinds of relationships regardless of genders, e.g those between family members like between a parent or grandparent and a child, between siblings, or other relatives. Affection exists among friends outside of coupledom too. My canine soulmate and I had the greatest affection for each other.

I understood of using the word "affection" on family members especially from parents and grandparents, and I understood of using this word for the lovers. But I just never heard people use it in the situations like normal friendships between anybody, between men and women, among women, or among men which we are talking about.
 
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Violet Bliss

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You know I viewed this video a few days ago and thought about posting it here cuz I knew Dai and Patrick's fans would appreciate seeing
it, but I decided against it. I can't understand why some posters always find a way to be snarky no matter what the discussion is about.
I guess I will have to use my ignore feature more often. lol

I thought it was appropriate for this thread seeing they had no problem closing the gap themselves without our help. :laugh:
 

Bluebonnet

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What would the podium results have been for men's competitions last year if zero point was given to a fallen jump? Here are the results:

2011 Worlds:
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 280.98
2. Takahiko KOZUKA (2): 258.41
3. Artur GACHINSKI (3): 241.86 )
4. Nobunari ODA (6): 232.50 :rock:
5. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (5): 232.97 – 2.52 = 230.38
6. Florent AMODIO (7): 229.68
7. Brian JOUBERT (8): 227.67
8. Michal BREZINA (4): 233.61 – 4.5 – 3.73 = 225.38
9. Richard DORNBUSH (9): 222.42
10. Ross MINER (11): 217.93 :)

2011 Skate America
1. Michal BREZINA (1): 216.00 – 2.52 = 213.48
2. Kevin VAN DER PERREN (2): 212.48
3. Takahiko KOZUKA (3): 212.09 – 4.20 – 4.20 – 3.90 = 199.79
4. Richard DORNBUSH (4): 202.27 – 3.51 = 198.76

2011 Skate Canada
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 253.74 -7.59 = 246.15
2. Javier FERNANDEZ (2): 250.33 – 5.50 = 244.83
3. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (3): 237.87
4. Adam RIPPON (4): 217.97 – 3.90 = 214

2011 Cup of China
1. Nan SONG (3): 226.75 :)
2. Nobunari ODA (2): 227.11 – 1.60 = 225.51
3. Jeremy ABBOTT (1): 228.49 – 7.30 = 221.19
4. Artur GACHINSKI (5): 222.54 – 7.30 = 215.24

2011 NHK
1. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (1): 259.75 – 5.60 = 254.15
2. Takahiko KOZUKA (2): 235.02 – 5.06 = 230.02
3. Ross MINER (3): 212.36
4. Samuel CONTESTI (4): 209.69 – 0.90 = 208.79

2011 TEB
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 240.60 – 4.20 = 236.40
2. Nan SONG (2): 224.10
3. Michal BREZINA (3): 218.60
4. Adam RIPPON (4): 217.89

2011 Cup of Russia
1. Javier FERNANDEZ (2): 241.63 :)
2. Yuzuru HANYU (1): 241.66 – 7.73 = 233.93
3. Jeremy ABBOTT (3): 229.08
4. Michal BREZINA (4): 226.35

2011 GPF
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 260.30 – 4.1 – 4.5 = 251.7
2. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (2): 249.12
3. Javier FERNANDEZ (3): 247.55
4. Yuzuru HANYU (4): 245.82

2012 4CC
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 273.94
2. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (2): 244.33 – 4.2 = 240.13
3. Ross MINER (3): 223.23 – 4.5 = 218.73
4. Takahito MURA (5): 217.16 :)
5. Adam RIPPON (4): 221.55 – 4.2 – 2.1 = 215.25

So, do you like the partial-credit system better or the no-credit system better?

Even though I'm in favor of partial credit, as far as Patrick Chan concerns, I've seen no change for any of his positions in any of these competitions. It makes no affect on Patrick's winning them all. However, if using your no-credit system, 2011 Japan National's podium would have definitely been changed:

Originally:

1 Daisuke Takahashi • TES 74.65 + PCS 86.90 -3.00 = FS 158.35 + SP 96.05 = TOTAL 254.60
2 Takahiko Kozuka • TES 84.87 + PCS 81.50 -1.00 = FS 165.37 + SP 85.60 = TOTAL 250.97
3 Yuzuru Hanyu • TES 88.59 + PCS 79.00 = FS 167.59 + SP 74.32 = TOTAL 241.91

Using your no-credit system:(I didn't go into details)

1. Takahiko Kozuka
2. Yuzuru Hanyu
3. Daisuke Takahashi

So do you like it?
 
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