Can Takahashi Close The Gap On Patrick Chan?

[Mathman]

Here's Nathan two year ago, age 10. I take back what I just said about a double/double/double combo harming the choreography.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRHimaaLOYg

[Boeing787]

Indeed.

Patrick's advantage above everyone is two 4Ts, two 3Lzs, one 3A, and extra 2A as his final jump pass by doing 3Lz+half loop+3S.

In odrer to outskate him in jump-wise, a skater who does not (or cannot) do that half-loop sequence, has to do something like: two 4Ts, two 3As as well as other triple jumps. That must be very difficult even for a top skater to skate CLEAN. Because, normally, skaters with two quads do not include second 3A.

The only skaters I can think of would be: healthier Evgeni, Dai before knee injury, more consistent Javier, or future Yuzuru after gaining more muscle and stamina.

That is what makes Patrick 'unbeatable', along with his sperior skating skills, at the moment.

When many top skaters start including two quads leading up to Sochi, I think second 3A will become the 'key' for OGM.

You can add Nan Song to the list.

[SkateFiguring]

For levity and to back up fscric's point of the friendship between the two skaters we are discussing, here is a snipshot taken out of another video focusing on Rippon and Wagner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2wyGm0Bh4c

[spikydurian]

For levity and to back up fscric's point of the friendship between the two skaters we are discussing, here is a snipshot taken out of another video focusing on Rippon and Wagner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2wyGm0Bh4c

OMG The music is funny and adds to the hilarity of the video. I thought Patrick and Dai look very 'loving'... when Patrick kind of help him to get on the ice. For a moment, I thought they are going to skate away hand in hand.

[seniorita]

I love sequences with the half loop, they are so cool and the skaters who do them seem light on their feet. What other sequence is possible to do?

[fscric]

For levity and to back up fscric's point of the friendship between the two skaters we are discussing, here is a snipshot taken out of another video focusing on Rippon and Wagner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2wyGm0Bh4c

Oh, this is cute.

[gkelly]

I love sequences with the half loop, they are so cool and the skaters who do them seem light on their feet. What other sequence is possible to do?

2A+1Lo+3S
2A+1Lo+2F
3T+1Lo+3S
3A+1Lo+3F

The jump after the half loop will be double or triple salchow or flip.
The first jump can be anything. The women are more likely to use a double axel or easier triple; the top men are more likely to use a harder triple.

At lower levels, the jumps will be doubles, or single axel. When I skated in the 1970s, I remember seeing single axel-half loop-double salchow from skaters around intermediate level.

Or did you mean sequences with other intervening jumps other than half loop? Those would still receive the 0.8 multiplier under the IJS rules.

[ivy]

When many top skaters start including two quads leading up to Sochi, I think second 3A will become the 'key' for OGM.

I can see this happening, but unless lot's more skaters start adding more then one type of quad to their repertoire it would be the end of 4x3 and 3x3 jump combos in those Men's programs. Would have to be 4T-2T, 4T, 3A-2Lo, 3A. If that becomes the 'gold' standard, I do think we may have to start looking at changing the Zayak rule.

gkelly - Would it be possible to switch edges over in after landing a 1/2 loop and do a lutz as the 2nd jump? or would that get a SEQ call?

[gkelly]

gkelly - Would it be possible to switch edges over in after landing a 1/2 loop and do a lutz as the 2nd jump? or would that get a SEQ call?

It would theoretically be possible but I've never seen it done.

It would get a SEQ call, so it's not worth doing under IJS.

[skatinginbc]

What would the podium results have been for men's competitions last year if zero point was given to a fallen jump? Here are the results:

2011 Worlds:
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 280.98
2. Takahiko KOZUKA (2): 258.41
3. Artur GACHINSKI (3): 241.86 )
4. Nobunari ODA (6): 232.50
5. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (5): 232.97 – 2.52 = 230.38
6. Florent AMODIO (7): 229.68
7. Brian JOUBERT (8): 227.67
8. Michal BREZINA (4): 233.61 – 4.5 – 3.73 = 225.38
9. Richard DORNBUSH (9): 222.42
10. Ross MINER (11): 217.93

2011 Skate America
1. Michal BREZINA (1): 216.00 – 2.52 = 213.48
2. Kevin VAN DER PERREN (2): 212.48
3. Takahiko KOZUKA (3): 212.09 – 4.20 – 4.20 – 3.90 = 199.79
4. Richard DORNBUSH (4): 202.27 – 3.51 = 198.76

2011 Skate Canada
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 253.74 -7.59 = 246.15
2. Javier FERNANDEZ (2): 250.33 – 5.50 = 244.83
3. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (3): 237.87
4. Adam RIPPON (4): 217.97 – 3.90 = 214

2011 Cup of China
1. Nan SONG (3): 226.75
2. Nobunari ODA (2): 227.11 – 1.60 = 225.51
3. Jeremy ABBOTT (1): 228.49 – 7.30 = 221.19
4. Artur GACHINSKI (5): 222.54 – 7.30 = 215.24

2011 NHK
1. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (1): 259.75 – 5.60 = 254.15
2. Takahiko KOZUKA (2): 235.02 – 5.06 = 230.02
3. Ross MINER (3): 212.36
4. Samuel CONTESTI (4): 209.69 – 0.90 = 208.79

2011 TEB
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 240.60 – 4.20 = 236.40
2. Nan SONG (2): 224.10
3. Michal BREZINA (3): 218.60
4. Adam RIPPON (4): 217.89

2011 Cup of Russia
1. Javier FERNANDEZ (2): 241.63
2. Yuzuru HANYU (1): 241.66 – 7.73 = 233.93
3. Jeremy ABBOTT (3): 229.08
4. Michal BREZINA (4): 226.35

2011 GPF
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 260.30 – 4.1 – 4.5 = 251.7
2. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (2): 249.12
3. Javier FERNANDEZ (3): 247.55
4. Yuzuru HANYU (4): 245.82

2012 4CC
1. Patrick CHAN (1): 273.94
2. Daisuke TAKAHASHI (2): 244.33 – 4.2 = 240.13
3. Ross MINER (3): 223.23 – 4.5 = 218.73
4. Takahito MURA (5): 217.16
5. Adam RIPPON (4): 221.55 – 4.2 – 2.1 = 215.25

So, do you like the partial-credit system better or the no-credit system better?

[let`s talk]

OMG The music is funny and adds to the hilarity of the video. I thought Patrick and Dai look very 'loving'... when Patrick kind of help him to get on the ice. For a moment, I thought they are going to skate away hand in hand.

LOL. I see some guy is trying to put his both hands on Dai's body and Dai is doing his best to stay polite.

[skatinginbc]

LOL. I see some guy is trying to put his both hands on Dai's body and Dai is doing his best to stay polite.

Nay. I thought it was between consensual adults.

[Bluebonnet]

According to LifeSkates and Slam!Sports:

Patrick Chan: "I am not gay." Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[let`s talk]

Nay. I thought it was between consensual adults.

You probably don't know much about Japanese politeness. And I assue you Dai has an amazing taste.

[skatinginbc]

You probably don't know much about Japanese politeness. And I assue you Dai has an amazing taste.

I'm sure Dai is very polite, and so is Chan. They both seem nice persons to me.