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    ISU World Team Trophy, April 2012, Tokyo

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    Ref the world team figure skating challange in tokio in april.....

    3.2 Consequences of non-participation
    It is of the highest importance that Rule 136 paragraph 6 of the ISU General Regulations be respected and implemented by all ISU Members and Skaters.
    To be in compliance with Rule 136, paragraph 6, the following directive is issued by the ISU Council. Any Skater/Couple from a Qualified ISU Member, who placed within the first ten (10) places at the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2012 and is ranked in the ISU World Standings among the best 2 Lady Single Skaters, best 2 Men Single Skaters, the best Pair Skating couple and the best Ice Dance couple of his/her/their respective Qualified ISU Member, if this Skater/Couple elects in advance of the ISU World Team Trophy not to participate in the ISU World Team Trophy (for whatever reason), he/she/they will not be permitted to participate in any other competitions, shows, and exhibitions from Monday noon (April 2, 2012) after the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2012, during the ISU World Team Trophy, and until April 23, 2012.
    In addition, depending on the circumstances, the concerned Skater/Couple and Members may be subject to sanctions in accordance with Rule 136, paragraph 6 of the General Regulations.


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    Didnt MK and the USFSA get a nastygram one year when she decided to not do the GP circuit?

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    I had never really heard of this competition till last year and remember reading that language in the rules then. Seems like the ISU is really, really trying to make this one matter. But by April, it's nice outside here, Worlds are over, my attention turns elsewhere. Also the 'team' aspect is little forced. hmmmm - maybe if this was in fall instead of the Japan Open I'd care more. Give skaters a chance to to dry run new programs where there is less on the line individually?

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    I'm really not into this concept at all. I'm willing to be convinced it's a good idea... but I haven't seen anything to convince me yet..

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    I am keeping an open mind about this. One could be cynical and say this is just another way to make money for the ISU by holding a gun to the heads of the top skaters...on the other hand, it could be a fun competition.
    Maybe it will come to Colorado Springs some day!

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    I'm actually more interested and a heck of a lot more excited about the Team competition come Sochi 2014. Seriously, I can't wait! Like with Gymnastics, I'm wondering who will come through for the team and who won't :( Who will win the very first Figure Skating Team Competition in 2014? ???

    For now I will content myself with the Team Challenge.

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    The "for whatever reason" gets me to . And the possible additional sanctions, :sheesh:

    As a fan, however, I'm glad for another event and a longer season. Top skaters have to work more but may earn more as well. How much are the prizes?

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    Prize money in 2009 was pretty major - $1 million total, making it the most lucrative event on the ISU calendar. Some skaters said they were not made aware of it in time (Tanith Belbin) and were pressured to take part (Scott Moir), though the skaters who took part seem to have enjoyed it.

    Here are some of the IDC pics from the 2009 competition, a compilation of the French team's K&C antics (sorry about he crap sound quality), and some high fashion from Team USA. Nobody seems to be suffering much...

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    It will probably be a lot of fun and less pressured for the individual skaters having a team to cheer them on, unless the anchor is expected to turn the fortune around for the team. Will the coaches be there? Are they as needed? Joannie has expressed interest so maybe she will compete here but not at Worlds.

    $1 million may sound like much but it will be shared by so many teams and members of all disciplines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    The "for whatever reason" gets me to .
    The ISU is holding skaters' Olympic eligibility ransom in order to force them to participate in ISU events....Monopolist scum.
    Nah, the monopolistic scumbags are just saying that you can't play sick, skip the World team thing, and then make a miraculous recovery just in time to skate in a show scheduled for the same day that pays more. Note that the time period for the "suspension" just covers the three weeks from worlds to the end of the team event.

    Quote Originally Posted by ivy
    So is intended to be an every year event? Every other year? Was supposed to happen in Tokyo last year but cancelled because of quake. According to Wikipedia Japanese Fed paid the prize money out in 2009. Is that the case this year?
    Only two were scheduled, one in 2009 and then again in 2011, both in Japan. After that, "we'll see."

    It is highly unlikely that this event will ever be held anywhere else except Japan. Following post 16 by sky_fly20, this is a made-for-TV show paid for by Japanese television and corporate sponsers, filtering the money through the Japanese Federation. No other federation can raise the money required to put it on and pay the prizes.

    I thought he 2009 event was cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I thought he 2009 event was cool.
    I did too; it was fun watching the great camaraderie amongst the skaters. And, the skaters themselves seemed to be having a ball.

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    I think the Japanese Federation must have made a deal with the ISU -- they will only host this event and shell out big $$$, or actually ¥¥¥, if ISU can guarantee that there will be some good skaters and competitive excitement for the audience.
    The prize money is substantial, though; the monetary return to skaters is probably similar to top-tier shows that the skaters might have been participating in otherwise. But of course making the long trip to Asia is maybe not something every NA or European athlete wants to do (although these days it seems that's where most of the show money is anyway).
    Plus, if the team event is going to be an official Olympic event, then it's good for these individualistic skaters to practice playing like a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Nah, the monopolistic scumbags are just saying that you can't play sick, skip the World team thing, and then make a miraculous recovery just in time to skate in a show scheduled for the same day that pays more. Note that the time period for the "suspension" just covers the three weeks from worlds to the end of the team event.
    Traveling to another country to compete in a competition using your competitive programs is a huge investment of time and physical effort. For many skaters, it would be more convenient to recuperate at home and/or do some ice shows while preparing for the next season. This trumped up competition unnecessarily extends the season for the top skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteChris View Post
    Didnt MK and the USFSA get a nastygram one year when she decided to not do the GP circuit?
    Yup. She blew it off. The ISU did not appreciate that Michelle didn't feel up to doing the Grand Prix, yet she never missed a cheesefest.

    Phil Hersh reported, in connection with Michelle's induction into the Hall of Fame, that back when figure skating in the U.S. made money, Michelle was paid upwards of $900,000 a year by the USFSA to do Skate America and the three annual cheesefests. He who pays the piper...

    Michelle tried to beg off and skip Skate America in 2002 (held in Spokane). But when Sarah Hughes withdrew at the last minute they made Michelle an "offer that she couldn't refuse." She was quoted as saying that she felt like Michael Corleone in the Godfather:: "Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in."

    She won, and made the Grand Prix final on the basis of that one first place finish. But she put her foot down when it came to participating in the Final.

    In 2006 she cashed in the favors that the USFSA owed her.

    Edited to add: By the way, do you think that the same six teams will make the show this year? Japan, Canada, Russia, U.S.A., China and France. Is anyone else in the running, pending Worlds?
    Last edited by Mathman; 02-15-2012 at 03:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    By the way, do you think that the same six teams will make the show this year? Japan, Canada, Russia, U.S.A., China and France. Is anyone else in the running, pending Worlds?
    Italy. I think it'll obviously be the USA, Canada, Japan and Russia, and the final two spots should come down to Italy, France or China. I wouldn't be surprised if China doesn't qualify.

    Can the title of this thread please be changed? It's called the World Team Trophy and it bugs me to see the mistake each time

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    isn't there a plan to make this an Olympic event? Does anyone know more details? And would it be the same people competing in singles, or maybe the 4/5 place finishers?

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