Very true indeed. I am trying to be realistic here. At the end of the day, the Olympics is just another major competition. They have a lot of potential to win more medals at the World Championships (if they improve on their inconsistencies), and they should focus their energy on that. Their success should not be defined by whether or not they make it to the Olympic Games.Originally Posted by sky_fly20
Canada could adopt them perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting. We might never see Dube and Wolfe again but Duhamel and Radford and T squared would be a competitive couple of teams and then Canada would have three teams at worlds.
Russia is in huge trouble here. They don't have their best men, pairs, who knows who is the top dance team and heck arguably they don't have their best ladies. Potentially and arguably Russia in four events don't have their top skaters.
Japan looks really good it is like the event was made for them with two mens and two ladies counting and based on the ordinal system I believe they don't have to worry so much about ice dance and the Reed's.
Interesting that Czisny turned down the team competition; I think Zhang would have been a better choice than Gold and earned it as a senior but USA will be in the mix. A lot will depend on Canada who i don't think has much of a chance because of their ladies. Ironically the US and Canada are interdependent right now in a lot of ways. In pairs these teams fight it out for top ten and probably if you removed one of them, the other would have a decent shot of earning three teams. Likewise in men. And in dance well you have the huge rivaly of D and W versus V and M. fortunately, this won't lead to a war - I hope
as for the Olympics that is a different game. I am wondering if it is the ordinal system or is it accumulated points from COP. It is possible for Japan to do well on the ordinal system as there are only 5 teams left for the medal round so the worst in dance is 5th but if they are first in men's and women and say second or third in pairs they could win. Of course if they are 5th in dance and 5th in pairs then a gold is probably unlikely - unless there is such a jumbo of results and ordinals just work in their favour anything is possible. One would think USA, Canada, Japan and Russia would be favoured and then the fifth spot maybe Italy or France or if China makes a huge surge as they seem to be developing - men, women and dance to go with their already strong pairs.
Actually, Alissa wanted to go but her coach said no. She told this in her recent interview.
Ordinal placements. 10 points for first place down to 1 point for tenth place in the short program, ten points down to six points in the free.
However, the short program is crucial. The points are carried over from the short program and added on to the points for the free. The points are not doubled for the free skating, or anything like that. So if a dance team got last in the short dance (1 point), while all the other top five teams got in the upper range, that could still be a killer.It is possible for Japan to do well on the ordinal system as there are only 5 teams left for the medal round so the worst in dance is 5th but if they are first in men's and women and say second or third in pairs they could win.
A child of Japanese has a much faster track in getting it back. And the status "child" in this case doesn't have any age limits.
So? I don't see what your point is.
They are going to come in last probably. Do they really care that much? Doubtful.
Even if Tran were given citizenship, Japan wouldn't have a realistic shot at the Team gold because their dance team (the Reeds) is not in any way competitive with the dance teams of the other major figure skating federations. And Takahashi/Tran wouldn't even be likely to place first in the Pairs event anyway. I am sure Japanese officials are quite well aware of this.
Japan has never granted citizenship to anyone based on special merit, and I am afraid that Mervin Tran is not going to be the first recipient.
Japan will host Four Continents 2013, so a medal there would be especially exciting for Takahashi/Tran and their fans. I agree that T/T's success should not be defined by whether they ever have the opportunity to become Olympians.
But I do not agree that the Olympic Games are "just another major competition." Athletes from many sports have said that they cherish not only the gratification of performing in an Olympic event, but also the totality of their multi-faceted experiences throughout the Games.
What I meant by "the Olympic Games is just another major competition" is that the games is not life or death for most athletes. There is always going to be life after the Olympics, and even though a victory at the Olympics might glorify or define your career, it's not going to be the end of the world if you don't participate or do horribly. It's another competition, and should be faced with the same attitude and spirit as any other competition. It's the "just another competition" mindset that's going to put off the pressure, and help the athletes enjoy the wonderful Olympic experience
Tell this to Kurt Browning, Brian Joubert and Carolina Kostner.What I meant by "the Olympic Games is just another major competition" is that the games is not life or death for most athletes. There is always going to be life after the Olympics, and even though a victory at the Olympics might glorify or define your career, it's not going to be the end of the world if you don't participate or do horribly. It's another competition, and should be faced with the same attitude and spirit as any other competition. It's the "just another competition" mindset that's going to put off the pressure, and help the athletes enjoy the wonderful Olympic experience
I disagree. If you bomb at Worlds you can come back the very next year but if you bomb at the Olympics it might be the only time you ever have a chance since the Olympics only come every 4 years. For for most athletes their peak might be that one Olympics only and they might never get close again.What I meant by "the Olympic Games is just another major competition" is that the games is not life or death for most athletes. There is always going to be life after the Olympics, and even though a victory at the Olympics might glorify or define your career, it's not going to be the end of the world if you don't participate or do horribly. It's another competition, and should be faced with the same attitude and spirit as any other competition. It's the "just another competition" mindset that's going to put off the pressure, and help the athletes enjoy the wonderful Olympic experience
me too, I don't know why so many are jumping in the bandwagon that T/T are now a potential pairs Olympics podium
they won bronze with the many mistakes of the other top pairs, I don't even think they will top this WTT, a clean B/L and D/R will outscore a clean T/T
while T/T are talented; right now they still need more consistency and prove their bronze win was not a fluke
If they can still be outscored by S/H , I don't think they are that good yet
regarding the Reeds, they will surely score a new SB here, based on the lack and not that many competitors regardless that they did not even qualified for the SD in Worlds, lol. btw, Ice Dance only gets to perform their FD in WTT, correct ?
No, not only FD.
All four disciplines are to get to perform SP(SD) + FS(FD) at WTT.
WTT kicks off with Short dance on Thu, Apr 19 at 15:15 (Japan time).
Sorry, I cannot find any link in English for you. Attached below is the only link I can find now.
http://deep-edge.net/event_detail.php?No=525
ISU site has the WTT schedule in English:
http://www.isuresults.com/events/WTT...ceSchedule.pdf
[Yes, the original ISU url has a typo in "Practice".]
And I've copied and pasted below the text from the WTT announcement that was issued in Dec.
The times of the competitions are the same below as in the PDF, but my disclaimer is that I have *not* cross-checked the times of practices, meetings, etc.
21. EVENT SCHEDULE
- Tuesday, April 17, 2012
All day Arrival of teams- Wednesday, April 18, 2012
07:00 Official Practice- Thursday, April 19, 2012
14:00 Team Leaders Meeting
17:00 Referees and Technical Controllers Meeting
18:00 Judges Meeting
19:30 Opening Ceremony & Reception
08:30 Official Practice- Friday, April 20, 2012
14:40 Opening Ceremony on Ice
15:15 ICE DANCE Short Dance
16:35 MEN Short Program
18: 40 LADIES Short Program
08:30 Official Practice- Saturday, April 21, 2012
15:00 PAIRS Short Program
16:25 ICE DANCE Free Dance
18:00 MEN Free Skating
Official Practice [no time specified]- Sunday, April 22, 2012
09:00 Round Table Discussion ICE DANCE
10:15 Round Table Discussion MEN
15:15 PAIRS Free Skating
16:50 LADIES Free Skating
App.18:35 Award Ceremony
21:00 Prize Giving Ceremony and Closing Banquet
07:30 EXHIBITION practiceSubject to changes
09:30 Round Table Discussion PAIRS
10:15 Round Table Discussion LADIES
14:00 GALA EXHIBITION
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