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Thread: ISU World Team Trophy, April 2012, Tokyo

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    ^^^^ I think it's up to the federations but a federation's top 2 by ISU defination cannot decline to compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    This is all so confusing, why don't they just make it cut & dried, instead of adding substitutes, different skaters for the SP, LP, et al. That's just ridiculous, all for strategy.
    I hate the confusion too.

    I also wonder if this team event will devalue Olympic figure skating medals. Let's say Canada wins this event on the strength of men's and dance, and the two current ladies participated on the team. You now have a skater such as Amelie Lacoste who is an Olympic gold medalist. This is a title greats such as Ito, Kwan, Slutskaya, etc. did not achieve, and now you have a skater who would not even be competitive in her own division as a gold medalist. With gymnastics this could happen, but really there are so many golds awarded (5 individual plus 1 team for women, 7 individual plus 1 team for men) that it doesn't matter much.

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    ^^^It won't be different from medals in other team events such as Relays or Basketball.

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    ^ Still, I see DrivingMissDaisy's point. Figure skating always had a sort of "sportsy purity" about it. You were the best. Or you weren't.

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    With Japan having basically no pairs or dance, the scoring of someone like a Chan can counterbalance a complete meltdown performance from the ladies, so I think it's a little different than the other sports because it almost feels like a windfall for whatever ladies get to be on his team. It normally wouldn't bug me but, again, this is a sport in which there have always been more great skaters than gold medals to give out, and now some very mediocre skaters will carry the title Olympic Figure Skating Champion.

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    But this is *figure skating*, not relays or basketball. And the sport closest to it has always been Gymnastics. Therefore, the Team Event should also closely resemble it as well. Jmho.

    And in an earlier post I also brought up the concern about giving a gold medal to a lower ranked team member. How ridiculous. That's why I say only the very best from each country should be able to participate. There's no guarantee that any one on the Team will win an individual gold medal, even if they're the amongst the best, therefore the Team Event gives them another shot at it.

    For example, say Patrick Chan misses out on an individual gold medal, but Kevin Reynolds is the one selected for the Team Event, and wins a gold medal instead. I wouldn't have a problem with that as Kevin is a favorite of mine, but I'm sure others might.

    This just tells me that the ISU needs to get there act together and put on a F-A-I-R Team Event Competition, which means testing it out beforehand (too bad they won't do it at this year's Worlds). And selecting "one" skater from each discipline (two in pairs) to participate. And that one skater needs to do both the SP & LP. Otherwise it wouldn't be right. You don't see two skaters skating as one in the singles competitions, lol. Seriously, when has this ever happened? When has one skater skated the SP, and then another the LP? Never, that's when. Let's keep it legitimate. The whole world will be watching. It's not time for a farce, rather legitimacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    For example, say Patrick Chan misses out on an individual gold medal, but Kevin Reynolds is the one selected for the Team Event, and wins a gold medal instead. I wouldn't have a problem with that as Kevin is a favorite of mine, but I'm sure others might. :big grin:
    In the quote from the Hersh article posted above (post #53), Cinquanta says that he hopes this exact thing happens. This will give fans something "spicy" to argue about on the Internet.

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    Well that article is 3 yrs. old, I hope he's grown up since then.

    Come on, we don't need yet another controversy in figure skating, especially after the last one in 2002! It's time for legitimacy, Mr. Cinquanta, not another farce.

    And if we did have "two" skaters skating the singles discipline, can you imagine the heat the one will take that didn't live up to expectations. For instance, say the one that skated the SP creamed everybody , then the one that skated the LP totally blew it, losing it for the team Sorry, I would be ticked. And nobody needs that. But now that I think of it this most likely goes along with Cinquanta's "spicy" reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    Well that article is 3 yrs. old, I hope he's grown up since then. :roll eye:
    I'm sure her has. He was a young pup of 70 way back then.

    And if we did have "two" skaters skating the singles discipline, can you imagine the heat the one will take that didn't live up to expectations. For instance, say the one that skated the SP creamed everybody , then the one that skated the LP totally blew it, losing it for the team Sorry, I would be ticked.
    Isn't it that way in team gymnastics? One athlete does great, then the next one comes out and blows it for everyone.

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    Not really because each gymnast on the Team competes in every apparatus (i.e. vault, bars, beam, floor), whereas Cinquanta is propsosing having one skater skate the SP, then the other the LP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    Not really because each gymnast on the Team competes in every apparatus (i.e. vault, bars, beam, floor), whereas Cinquanta is propsosing having one skater skate the SP, then the other the LP.
    That is not true. For the team competition at olympics, Bridget Sloan competed only on 1 event, Sacramone- 3, Luikin- 3. Only Shawn Johnson did 4. Everyone does the apparatus that they are best at.

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    Even the correlation with gymnastics team events is not that strong. At least in gymnastics you can have event specialists so a member can compensate for a weakness in the team. In skating there isn't a spinning event, a jumping event, etc. so each skater is a whole package and EVERYONE skates a short and a long. A spinning specialist is unlikely to help a team as much as a good all around skater.

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    I think the problem is that figure skating is just not a team sport.

    To remedy this, they could have a relay event. Jeremy Abbott leads off with a triple Axel, then deftly passes the baton to Alissa Czisny for a combination layback spin. On the last revolution Davis and White whiz by, grabbing the baton and speeding down center ice a-twizzle. All within the timing and character of the music, of course.

    Wai, wait! Give it a chance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    That is not true. For the team competition at olympics, Bridget Sloan competed only on 1 event, Sacramone- 3, Luikin- 3. Only Shawn Johnson did 4. Everyone does the apparatus that they are best at.
    I stand corrected, my apologies.

    Must've been thinking about the All-Around Event. But in all honesty I haven't watched gymnastics in ages, only every 4 years, I lost interest after the Soviet Union broke up and the best gymnastics school in history was no more, but I watched the last of that generation until about the year 2000.


    Lol at Mathman's scenario!

    But seriously, I wonder how it will all pan out in the end...

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    Team final in gymnastics: 6 gymnasts participate in the team and in each event 3 of them compete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    For example, say Patrick Chan misses out on an individual gold medal, but Kevin Reynolds is the one selected for the Team Event, and wins a gold medal instead. I wouldn't have a problem with that as Kevin is a favorite of mine, but I'm sure others might.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    In the quote from the Hersh article posted above (post #53), Cinquanta says that he hopes this exact thing happens. This will give fans something "spicy" to argue about on the Internet.
    Oh...I really hope you have a 3-4 backup servers by then, cause you will need all!

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