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    Should Adelina Sotnikova also withdraw from the World Junior Championships?

    Apparently, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva has withdrawn from the World Junior Championships due to tiredness. Sensible decision and it will enable her to prepare better for her first full season in seniors next season. Personally, I think Adelina Sotnikova should also withdraw from the World Junior Championships as well. She has had an awful season by her standards and her Free Program at the Youth Olympics was the worst I have even seen her skate, and she should have ended up third behind Zijun Li. It was that bad, and its obvious that Sotnikova is very low on confidence at the moment. She would therefore be much better off putting what has been a poor season behind her and focusing on next season. She has already won everything that there is to win in juniors, so why risk yet another confidence crushing disaster at World Juniors? I can't see her beating Julia Lipnitskaya (who will probably win) or Gracie Gold (who most likely will take silver) in the form she is in at the moment and she will therefore probably be fighting it out for bronze with Polina Shelepen and Zijun Li. Given the success of last season, that is going to do her self confidence no good whatsoever. The injury she had occurred last summer and is unlikely therefore to be the continuing reason for her poor form. That leaves the growth spurt as the mostly likely root cause of her problems. I don't buy in to the idea that she suffers from nerves. Anybody who wins 3 consecutive senior national titles, the World Junior title, and the junior grand prix, clearly does not have a temperament problem. No, it's the growth spurt that is the most likely cause. By the start of the next season, the growth spurt should be behind her and she should have settled into her new body. By withdrawing from World Juniors, she will therefore be giving herself plenty of time to put the problems of this season behind her, overcome her growth spurt, rebuild her self confidence, and lay the platform for a successful next season. She is risking too much by going to World Juniors in the form she is in the moment and if she does end up coming unstuck, it will completely flatten what's left of her self confidence.

    Sotnikova has the capacity to be a great skater and to win the next Olympics. This season, she has been knocked back by a growth spurt and this has undermined her self confidence. She needs to take a break, regroup and rebuild, and by the time of the start of next season, the growth spurt and it's associated problems should be behind her. That is the better route to take. What she doesn't need is another confidence sapping disaster at World Juniors which will only undermine her further. Psychologically, that could be very difficult for her to come back from.
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    I disagree, while Liza is indeed tired, you have to consider Tukt competed a longer season from Japan Open to Youth Olympics
    and won 2 GP events and YOG. Sotnikova had a lukewarm season but not totally a disaster, I think what Adelina is trying to prove is she can bounce back.
    Sotnikova is struggling from physical ( 2nd growth spurt ) and mental ( confidence) issues this season but she has proven she can bounce back like at the 2012 nationals. this will be another test for her on how to handle huge pressure and this will do more good for her than damage her.

    so what if Adelina doesn't win ? she doesn't have anything to lose now, atm

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    I think she should go...Withdrawal won't solve the problem. It's better for her to try once again to regain her confidence.And why do everyone believes that Gracie is to take silver??The girl won ONE international event!

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    She hasn't skated great all season but she has still medaled in every competition, so I don't think her confidence is really that shaken. It is a good chance for her to go and close out a successful season with a win. Particularly with Liza out, she has a great shot to repeat.

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    Can anyone link me to the articles/announcement(s) which say Eliza has withdrawn?

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    Can anyone link me to the articles/announcement(s) which say Eliza has withdrawn?
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...313#post619313

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    yes

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    i think she should still go. i wonder if this has crossed her mind at some point though. i think it would be a good chance for a comeback for her. if she skates well she will most likely be in the top 3, which i would be happy with if i were her with julia and gracie there.

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    Thanks! I'm sorry to hear it but hopefully she will come back next season recharged.

    As regards the original question, I guess I don't have much opinion on the matter. I think Adelina should do what she thinks is best for her and am very happy if she has decided that to compete is best. I greatly enjoy watching her

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    Can anyone link me to the articles/announcement(s) which say Eliza has withdrawn?

    Thank you.
    Here is an article in which Mishin explains the reasons behind Liza's withdrawal. He says:-

    We decided to concentrate on preparing for the new season, on learning the most difficult elements and not being until the end of the season in the junior’s environment.....There are two ways: you can either prepare for the main event of the life or just prepare for upcoming competitions. So, to prepare for the main event of the life, we must now practice a triple axel, while at the junior level you can win without such complex elements....We work for the future, for the main event – the Olympic Games in Sochi, so we devote the time for creating new programs, finding new choreographic decisions and so on.
    Last edited by Mao88; 02-19-2012 at 07:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koatcue View Post
    And why do everyone believes that Gracie is to take silver??The girl won ONE international event!
    Technical content. It's very strong and she's very consistent, especially on her 3+3 combos. Watch her Nationals performances, Sectionals, JGP Estonia, Skate Detroit, etc. She has made no more than 1 mistake in any of her programs.

    As to why all of a sudden Sotnikova may be having nerve issues when she's won Nationals, JWs, JGP, etc she has reached an age of "self awareness" which changes how you view yourself - you tend to become self concious and you have to work through it.

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    I think the pressure to defend the title will be beneficial for Adelina on the long term, even if she won't succeed. She must learn how to cope with her nerves and this is a perfect opportunity for her to go out there and fight.I still think that if she goes clean she is the best of the pack, Julia included. Imagine what a confidence booster would be for her to win the title back.

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    Random thoughts.

    1. You don't get over competitive nerves by not competing (so no, she shouldn't)

    2. Should she lose to Polina and Julia and Gracie, the federation might prematurely write her off (so yes, she should wd)

    3. Should she win, it'll likely give her a much needed boost for next season, which is frightfully important (so no, she shoudn't wd)

    4. She's not really a junior skater anymore (so yes, she should)

    5. Asada didn't really lose out losing to Kim in 2006 at WJs, so perhaps we're overestimating the impact a loss would have on her politically (so no, she shouldn't wd)

    So you decide, for the many among us cannot tell. Both decisions make sense to me.

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    In answer to the title of this thread, n-o.

    Why? Besides the possibility of becoming a 2-time World Jr. Champion, more importantly it will give her a chance to end the season on a high note by skating clean.

    Also, it will give her a chance to see how she stacks up against the much-hyped American Golden Girl, Gracie Gold.


    GET IT ON, CAN'T WAIT FOR THE MATCHUP!!!!

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    I'm a bit mystified re: the rationale for this thread.

    In general, contestants should not withdraw except for a few legitimate and standard reasons, i.e., injuries/illnesses accompanied with physician's verifications, and extenuating circumstances such as family emergency as Mao had to withdraw from the 2011 GPF due to her mother's worsening condition and subsequent death (may she rest in peace ).

    I suppose Tuk's withdrawal can be construed as illness if one really stretches the definition of illness (her being tired due to too many competition apparences). Still, Mishin's rationale for taking her out of Junior worlds seems more to do with poor management of his skater on his part, i.e., failure to pace his skater sufficiently.

    So, having not sufficiently paced his pupil, he now wants to gain advantage over other skaters by, again, pushing her early & train her for difficult jumps and jump combinations...I suppose if your priority is winning at any cost, you probably would not spend too much time/energy for such trivial matters such as following rules everyone is following, and/or disappointing paying customers who might have already paid to see headliner-worthy skater like Tuk.

    So the question to me is, should the Russina #1 skater follow Tuk/Mishin example...?

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