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    Who did what first?

    Does anybody know which skaters invented or "did" these moves first?

    3Toe - for men and women

    3Sal - men and women

    Headless scratch spin

    Y-spin

    pancake spin


    Thanks!!

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    Thomas Lizt performed the first 3toe.

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    3S for ladies was Janet Lynn, I believe

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    1A- Axel Paulsen 1882
    1A-Sonia Henie 1920's
    2A-Dick Button 1948
    2A-Carol Heiss 1953
    3A-Vern Taylor 1978
    3A-Midori Ito 1988

    1Lp Werner Rittenberger 1910
    2Lp Karl Schaffer 1925 (practice)
    3Lp 1952 Dick Button
    3Lp3Lp Eric Millot
    3Lp3Lp Tara Lipinski

    1Lz Alois Lutz 1913
    2Lz Karl Schaffer 1925 (practice)
    2Lz Barbara Ann Scott 1942
    3Lz Donald Jackson 1962
    3Lz Denise Biellmann 1978
    4Lz Brandon Mroz 2012 *thank you Buttercup*
    3Lz3Lp Irina Slutskaya 2000

    1S Ulrich Salchow 1909
    1S Teresa Weld 1920
    2S Gillis Grafstrom 1926 (practice)
    2S Cecelia Colledge 1937
    3S Ronnie Robertson 1955
    3S Petra Burka 1962
    4S Tim Goebel 1998
    4S Miki Ando
    4S3T Tim Goebel

    3T Thomas Litz 1964
    3T3T Gregorcz Filipowski 1980
    3T3T Midori Ito 1982
    4T Kurt Browning 1988
    4T3T Elvis Stojko 1997

    3A throw Inoue & Baldwin 2006
    4S throw Vise & Trent

    Bielmann spin Tamara Moskvina

    The first pancake spin I remember seeing was by a Swiss woman named Nathalie Krieg

    I daresay there were earlier shot gun spins, but the first I remember was by Rudi Galindo
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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    1Lz Alois Lutz 1913
    2Lz Karl Schaffer 1925 (practice)
    2Lz Barbara Ann Scott 1942
    3Lz Donald Jackson 1962
    3Lz Denise Biellmann 1978
    3Lz3Lp Irina Slutskaya 2000
    I'm not a huge fan of Brandon Mroz to say the least, but he deserves to be on this list.

    One thing I like about dance is that there are always opportunities to invent new moves, namely, lifts. Not all of them are aesthetically pleasing, but it's nice to see some innovation in this respect.

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    thank you buttercup-I edited Brandon back into the list.

    Has Daisuke ever gotten credit for his 4F?

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    Wow. Excluding the Toe jump without the info on its debut, the Axel was the first jump, and it took 27 years before there was the Salchow, then the Loop and the Lutz soon after.

    And Kurt Browning owned the 4T record for 9 years before there was any evolution of the quad into a combo and then the 4S.

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    Cecilia Colledge performed the first "Biellmann" at the 1937 World Championships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    thank you buttercup-I edited Brandon back into the list.

    Has Daisuke ever gotten credit for his 4F?
    That should read 2011 for Mroz, though.

    As for Dai - not that I'm aware of; I think it'll be someone else who'll land it. I bet Brezina could do it, or, consider the rate at which he's progressed, Hanyu.

    I believe Plushenko landed the first ever 4-3-3.

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    Copied & pasted from wikipedia's bio on Evgeni Plushenko:



    The first skater in the world to perform a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop-double loop jump (4𣛨) combination in competition, at the 1999 NHK Trophy (he has since landed his 4𣛨 combination 26 times so far). He is the first skater to have landed a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop-triple loop (4𣛩) combination in competition, at the Cup of Russia 2002 (he has since landed his 4𣛩 combination four times so far). Plushenko is also the first skater to land a triple toe loop-triple toe loop-triple loop-double loop (3𣛩2) combination, which was at the 2005 "Ard Gala". At the European Championships, he landed a six jump combination (3𣛨𣇼2) in his exhibition program. He has landed a four jump combination; 4 toe loop-3 toe loop-2 loop-2 loop, at the World Championships in 2001. Plushenko has landed a consistent quadruple toe loop in competition, and has also landed a quadruple salchow in Samara, Russia at the 2004 "Second stage of Cup of Russia". It is estimated that he has landed a total of about 100 quads in competition.

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    Plushy has landed first the 4T-3T-2Lo (NHK 1999), 4T-3T-3Lo (COR 2002) and the first to land them at worlds after and 3A-1/2Lo-3F at Olys 2002.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
    Copied & pasted from wikipedia's bio on Evgeni Plushenko:
    At the European Championships, he landed a six jump combination (3𣛨𣇼2) in his exhibition program. He has landed a four jump combination;
    huh? Thats not right. I think this combo was at Russian Nationals 2006 in the gala that doesnt actually count. The most cool combo of his for me was 3A-3T-3Lo at the finale of Olys 2006.

    It also says there he is the first male to do the bielman spin in seniors but I have no idea if this is true and they dont use a reference.
    Last edited by seniorita; 02-20-2012 at 05:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    3S for ladies was Janet Lynn, I believe
    1st 3S was done by Petra Burka

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Plushy has landed first the 4T-3T-2Lo (NHK 1999), 4T-3T-3Lo (COR 2002) and the first to land them at worlds after and 3A-1/2Lo-3F at Olys 2002.
    I LOVE this one! I get chils just thinking about it. In all honesty Evgeni's 2002 Olympic LP was my favorite. Because of the uncharacteristic fall in the SP, he literally went ALL OUT in the LP, landing unbelieveable combinations left & right, even impressing Scott Hamilton (whom was doing commentary). Nobody else has even come close to Zhenya's 2002 Olympics LP, never. One-of-a-kind...

    Before the day is through I'm going to watch said program again.

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    Petra Burka did the first 3S in 1965, according to Wikipedia. I believe it, because she was only 6 years old in 1952! Janet Lynn reportedly landed a 3S at a junior competition around this same time or maybe a year after, but there is no confirmed record of it that I can find. Janet also landed a 3T at the 1969 US Nationals. I'm not sure if that was the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    1A- Axel Paulsen 1882
    1A-Sonia Henie 1920's
    2A-Dick Button 1948
    2A-Carol Heiss 1953
    3A-Vern Taylor 1978
    3A-Midori Ito 1988

    1Lp Werner Rittenberger 1910
    2Lp Karl Schaffer 1925 (practice)
    3Lp 1952 Dick Button
    3Lp3Lp Eric Millot
    3Lp3Lp Tara Lipinski

    1Lz Alois Lutz 1913
    2Lz Karl Schaffer 1925 (practice)
    2Lz Barbara Ann Scott 1942
    3Lz Donald Jackson 1962
    3Lz Denise Biellmann 1978
    4Lz Brandon Mroz 2012 *thank you Buttercup*
    3Lz3Lp Irina Slutskaya 2000

    1S Ulrich Salchow 1909
    1S Teresa Weld 1920
    2S Gillis Grafstrom 1926 (practice)
    2S Cecelia Colledge 1937
    3S Ronnie Robertson 1955
    3S Petra Burka 1952
    4S Tim Goebel 1998
    4S Miki Ando
    4S3T Tim Goebel

    3T Thomas Litz 1964
    3T3T Gregorcz Filipowski 1980
    3T3T Midori Ito 1982
    4T Kurt Browning 1988
    4T3T Elvis Stojko 1997

    3A throw Inoue & Baldwin 2006
    4S throw Vise & Trent

    Bielmann spin Tamara Moskvina

    The first pancake spin I remember seeing was by a Swiss woman named Nathalie Krieg

    I daresay there were earlier shot gun spins, but the first I remember was by Rudi Galindo

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    Actually, it was a typo for 1962.

    And what I remember for Cecilia Colledge is the half Biellman and one of the camel entries, I forget which one.
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 02-20-2012 at 07:36 PM.

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