Well, even though Evan won, his win was not amazing (he did not win by a huge margin) and many still think he did not deserve the gold (such as me) because although he is a hard worker, he's just not that fun to watch. His programs were not just trite, they were boring (at least for me). He was not all that artistic ever. Evan just wasn't that special, he skated well though at the right place at the right time.
You act as if it was one skate where he got lucky. He is 2x national champ, 2x GP champion (that a lot of wins) World Champ and OGM. Yeah, he was at the right place and time several tims. That is hardly luck. It is skill, talent and hard work.
ETA forgot 4 times winner of 4ccs as well. Don't recall his junior record, but I'll bet it was good.
Last edited by skateluvr; 02-27-2012 at 08:40 PM.
Definitely, but at the time when he won all those things, no one did successful quads so Evan could win with triple axels and boring performances. No, not all of them were mediocre. Some were better. But it was the best time for him. For example, were skaters like Chan who can do quads and have better skating skills a little older and competed against Lysacek, he would be smushed. Evan did a pretty average but well done job and was lucky that all the other skaters he competed against at the time were worse. It was perfect timing for his win.Originally Posted by skateluvr
You act as if it was one skate where he got lucky. He is 2x national champ, 2x GP champion (that a lot of wins) World Champ and OGM. Yeah, he was at the right place and time several tims. That is hardly luck. It is skill, talent and hard work.
ETA forgot 4 times winner of 4ccs as well. Don't recall his junior record, but I'll bet it was good.
No one likes to see a talented skater like Plush have his career end in back surgery. That's why a lot of us are thrilled to see that he is going to be OK, even if we aren't huge Plush fans in the normal way of things.
While many people may not be Plush's uber fans, I don't think you would find a skate fan anywhere that doesn't respect Plush's many impressive achievements in the sport and his determination to keep competing. Again, that's why so many of us are glad to see that he's feeling better without resorting to surgery.
Stangely, with all the Americans on this board, there is lots of love for Plushy (deservved i feel) and lots of Evan dissing. Is this group think? Does anything spread faster than negativity esp among armchair non skaters? Why did the Evan thrad bring out the "haterz" and I use that word very lightly as Evan does not inspire hate. he is a class act as far as male skaters go. He was very kind to bitter Plush, and was even conciliatory to Johnny who nastily (jealously) tried to imply Evan was gay with a wink during the interview.
I enjoy Evan's skating. He is very dynamic. Why are some posters so interested in dissing him? Anger he beat Plush? Hey, I really thought Ryan B to be one of the worst skaters to win a US Nationals but was happy he finally got what he stayed in for. Not thrilled with the judging but. I can enjoy Evan as he seldom splats likesome "great" skaters we know. Are there any Evan fans left? First man to get gold for US since Boitano. I liked his 2009, 2010 programs and his skating. I don't think you can get where he has with "average skating skills" esp since he doesn't have the quad, or didn't in Vancouver. He beat Evgeni on the ice, and Takahashi. I'm no uber for Evan but I enjoy and respect him. Am I alone here? His LP was called "trite." Really...
Why do you ask Evan fans to come out in Plushenko thread? Has anyone even mentioned Evan here?
One cannot ask for it. Plushenko has simply attracted such worldwide admiration and respect by his characters, his will, his fire, and his legendary act.
This! Thank you so much, dorispulaski, you said it all for me!!
That is exactly how I feel about him, value him, appreciate and respect him so much now.
Ten years ago, or even three years ago, I had never thought of/imagined myself that I would be feeling this way about Evgeni.
Last edited by deedee1; 02-28-2012 at 12:07 AM.
thanks. I am happy for him.
back surgeries just by the sound of it looks painful.
hope he takes a good rest first
go Zhenya !!!
illogical-you compete against who there is . Evan 'smushed; Chan easily as Chan splatted everywhere. his ss didn't help then but that was before such chanflation due to messed up IJS.
Really?
I think that Evan is a very good skater but he had lots of help to win his OGM.
1. Olympic Games in North America
2. ISU seminars presenting Plushy's weaknesses (Why ISU didn't do seminars about Evan's 3A which actually was a 3S?)
3. Mr. Inman's e-mail to the judges and the subsequent media fuss
4. North American media which obviously know how to put pressure on ISU, judges etc. to get what they want (S&P gold medal is a proof).
The campaign against Plush was really disgusting and I wonder what will the North American say if the Russians do the same in Sochi:
1. Agressive clips with the junkies and homeless from New York followed by images of Evan, Jeremy or Patrick (similar to the clip with falling statue of Lenin and Plush, no?). Of course the title will be "Fallen western world" and will include clips with Patrick, Jermey, Even falling. Nice, no?
2. Lots of e-mails from, for example Lakernik, focused on the weakness of one of the North American top competitors (amplified by a leak in the media, of course)
3. ISU seminars about chain falling (focused on Chan or Jeremy ) and how this doesn't really matter.
Now, what would you say? Would this kind of campaign help Artur or Plush?
Would it be O.K. with you?
And good for zhenya. now I expect to see him back for real next season!
And was Putins' would be asassin just found have orchestrated all this to make Zhenya skate two 6.0 programs in Vancouver which were so shaky most commentators felt silver was lucky? Oh, C'mon. He was the best in Vancouver-judges, spectators, expert commentators all agreed. Sorry-you must be Plushified!
I actually agree with a lot of what you wrote. However, I'm sure that the Russian federation worked just as hard politiking for Plushy. We really don't know what went on behind the scenes on their end, but look how much pressure the North Americans put on the SLC pairs judges to make that French judge crack. A lot of this never sees the light of day but it happens and if you aren't pushing your athlete you are doing your skaters a disservice. It's not something I agree with but I accept it as part as some pissing contest between nations, as if it makes your country superior in some way by winning Olympic medals.
What does Plushified mean?
The good thing about Vancouver is that Plushenko in an interview a year after said that Mishin and his team made the impossible to hide from him all media frenzy from Euros to Olys to keep him calm so when he read most of them the competition was already over and he didnt care. So skaters sometimes are more ignorant of every little thing that is being written and said than fans.
I had found the fallen Lenin clip annoying the days of Vancouver, especially in Lp day, but know I watch it and laugh, it is really a blockbaster, with that music, dark tones and video cuts, sorry, who else got such a hollywood video for introduction?
I dont know about judges, obviously since they put the scores but no, commentators and spectators not all agreed as far as I can recall, cause if everybody did we wouldnt discuss it like 100 times after, but it is normal when results are so close, really it is moo point and it doesnt matter cause it is a competition and some people will be happy and some not. I dont think there was a hate on the board for Evan or Plush back then, but it was normal to read intense posts and just the weird posters of those 15 days have long dissapeared now.
And I have the right not to enjoy Evan 's olympic programs, skating, posture, jump landings, P/E/CH without being charged that it is because he won Olys over Plushenko cause he won over a lot of skaters I wish they had won instead besides my top favorite, I didnt care about his skate before and I didnt like him when saw him live after. I cant get into like Mroz or Rippon's skating either, saying it from now in case they win the next Olys. But Abott and Miner I do like a lot
Well, Evan cannot be blamed for Plushenko´s overscoring. The difference would have been a lot bigger, if Plushenko had been scored for what actually happened on the ice in Vancouver (and not for reputation).
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