oh, thanks, Toni! I knew you'd come up with more. In my estimation, Footloose counts as a musical, though the cast doesn't sing very much. The music is more geared to dancing, isn't it? I didn't see it, though I'd like to, just to compare it to the original, which was wonderfully fresh and well acted. John Lithgow, for example, as the original father, was splendid. It seems odd to have a remake of something so iconic, but it would be interesting to see if the filmmakers did something with it.
Oh, wasn't there also a remake of Fame? After the original film, and the fine series, I didn't want to venture into the new film, but sometime I'll see it.
Movies thread back! I have seen on DVD J. Edgar. Glad I watched for the history of it but wasn't impressed with Leo As j. Edgar. I liked Army Hammer as the boyfriend, though Clyde. I also saw on DVD, My Week With Marilyn. It was pretty good. Michelle Williams certainly does a creditable job as Marilyn, but not as over the top stunning and glamorous as Marilyn Monroe could be. A more demure, innocent Monroe interpretation. With so much written and onscreen about Monroe, I think it is a fairly easy characterization if you have the looks and the body. Interesting that Smash is a musical about Monroe. She just never goes away does she? Fascination with her is still there, and always will be.
Anyone catch anything good on DVD?
I have Woody Allen's Midnight in Paris on my list, though I'm not normally a Woody Allen fan. I love the idea of going back to the twenties in Paris.
Interesting to hear your take on DiCaprio as Hoover. I thought he might actually be very good, considering what else he's done and how many great directors seem to love him, including Scorsese himself. But maybe J. Edgar Hoover is just not the kind of character one would want to spend one's time with.
Michelle Williams is supposed to a great actress, far more talented than her former Dawson's Creek costar, Katie Holmes. In terms of beauty, Williams isn't the standout that Monroe became. Williams has a pretty face but nothing distinctive; her power seems to come from acting ability rather than glamorous looks, which immediately makes me like her.
Speaking of DiCaprio, isn't it interesting to contemplate the clever and/or lucky choices that James Cameron made when casting Titanic? A lot of directors try to cast unknown performers as their leading young love team. The central actors of many memorable films fade out quickly, though, never having the careers that such early success would predict. (Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher, for example.) But the leads in Titanic have each been rousingly successful at playing substantial and varied roles. Winslet has won an Oscar, and DiCaprio has been nominated at least once.
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Ugh. Titanic. Such a waste. One of Winslet's worst imo. I dont think she and leo have movie magic together at all. And dont get me started on the historical inaccuracies.
I was fond of it. For me, whether it had inaccuracies or not, it was clearly a labor of love on Cameron's part. It's hard to find a movie that has a genuinely epic feel and a sense of another time. When I look back at biographical pictures and large-scale historical films, I have trouble finding more than a handful that are capable of putting me in the time and place. Getting the balance between the human scale and the large sweep of events is so tough. For me, for instance, Gandhi and Dr. Zhivago succeeded while Ryan's Daughter did not. (And both Gandhi and Zhivago contained historical inaccuracies. I'm sure they moved events around. They were not trying to be documentaries, but to convey an overall impression.) I felt that with Titanic, I was there, both in close-up and in large vistas. Of course a lot of that is subjective, so I don't expect to convince you of this, but I do see why it affected so many viewers. There's a lot of skill and heart there.
As for Kate and Leo, I think that part of the lack of movie magic was that Kate was playing someone who was very restrained, suppressed. She was trained to be aloof (and to sell herself to the highest bidder, so to speak). That part didn't bother me, because I think they were both in character.
One thing that struck me watching this movie was that Titanic started seeming to me almost like the planet Krypton: a beautiful ecosystem (for want of a better world) heading for disaster, with only a few survivors left to tell the tale and bear witness to its glory. Besides, I loved the costumes and the music, and you know what a sucker I am for costumes and music. So I have to vote yes. Feel free to vote no with your ballot!
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Kate was good when Leo was not in the scene. I don't understand how an actor who did so well in Gilbert Grape can become so monotone in such a "romantic" part as Jack Dawson. IMO the main characters were dwarfed by better performances by just about everyone else "on the ship."
Cameron pushed his film to be historically accurate, that he'd done extensive research and blah blah blah - which he had. The problem for me, however, is he totally negated the historical facts for the more sensational tabloid fodder of the time. Sure, it sells a better movie, but my generation completely BELIEVED that story to be history (it drives me up the wall) he villified some of the ships crew in ways that they had already been exhonerated years earlier. (I feel the same sort of annoyance at Disney's Pocahontas which is so blatant in its inaccuracy it's not even funny, and again I can't tell you how many people my age think it was correct if "a bit disneyfied". I can still remember my 8th grade history teacher having to walk out of the classroom to regroup himself because one of my classmates was adament that Pocahontas' story was exactly like the Disney movie and the history book we were reading was outdated.)
I also feel, with as much love as Cameron has for the ship, that the use of some of the actual artifacts of the Titanic supposedly as props is disrespectful. I personally don't approve of grave robbing - be it mummies or the Titanic. In the case of the mummies I understand wanting/needing to know of the cultures and what not, but return them back to where they belong instead of parade them around the world for a buck. Titanic, and other shipwrecks of her era, does not give us any more insight into what culture was like back then, it's well documented. I agree it's nice to know what happened, but after all this time it's still all speculation. And even "back then" they knew it was from the cutting of corners the ship owners and builders used to save money and get her out on time. It proved massively fatal.
Then there's the decision to use Jack Dawson as the name of the main character. There was an actual Jack Dawson (I believe he was a worker on board the ship in the boiler room) who's body was recovered and buried. After the movie, love struck folk went and showered his grave and grieved for him... nevermind that Leo was not portraying HIM... and Cameron, IIRC, found it humorous. Again, I didn't.
I personally don't like Cameron's films or a lot of what he says, so I see Titanic as a big waste. I think he's using the 100 year anniversary to line his pocket even further, and to me it's just not cool...
Interestingly enough they are also showing this film again in 2d... and people are going. Seriously? It's added nothing new, and tickets are how many dollars more than they were 10ish years ago?! *facepalm*
I will say I liked Victor Garber as Mr. Thomas Andrews, as well as Kathy Bates as Molly Brown... and Billy Zane played a good villian. But I don't see it as one of the greatest films of all time... just a really big budget movie that played to love sick teens really well... I hear Kate's epic scene is great in 3D though.
LOL, I kinda feel more like Toni re Titanic. The ship and the disaster were the stars here and it was so epic-it was overdone. I agree the supporting actors were better, Billy Zane was great. I never felt it was cast right. If we go with kate, and I think it was a good choice, lovely Englisg rose, it was Leo who looked too young, too thin, too small next to voluptuous, zaftig, mature Rose. I always felt another male would have more chemistry with Kate. Zane for one-better scenes.
I get seasick very easy and nauseous so I don't want to see it in 3D. If it's on TV, I'll watch.
As far as the more mature Leo in Makeup as J. Edgar, there was growth and change, but it is obvious why he wasn't in running for Oscar. Michelle Williams is impressive in her movie. Never saw Dawson's Creek. Is that where Holmes came from? I see her as another Cruise wife, and maybe she'll do some mature work worth watching. I was aggravated when the Kennedy family ? got that HBO series pulled. Or did they? I don't have HBO, but I figured I'd see it somewhere. Katie did look a bit like Jackie all done up. What ever happened with that series?
ETA Cameron went to bottom of the seas in a little vehicle-brave guy-timed perfectly with re-release of Titanic, huh? How rich is this guy? Oh, his lucky women, ex and otherwise, LOL.
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Katie Holmes did a very good job as First Lady Kennedy. Actually that whole series was fantastic and is in my collection - and I'm not a fan of the family. Greg Kinnear did a superb job as President Kennedy... I didn't come away pitying the boys, but it did give insight. The series went on and you can get the entirety on DVD which is how I saw it. IIRC it wasn't an HBO series, it was on another cable channel (we don't get HBO but my parents watched it on TV...) I'm actually kinda obsessed with the mini-series. I've watched it many times.
Great thoughts Toni, I'd like to rent it, but not buy it. Maybe I can find a cheap used copy of the series on Amazon. I feel I missed a good series. I never get tired of Kennedy books, movies, etc. I am the same with certain royals, like Diana. I just read everthy published despite the fact there isn't much about either that hasn;t come to light. I suppose Netflix would have it. I just have too much I am avoiding to join and start renting lots of old movies I missed. Olympia mentioned Ryan's Daughter in her post. I vaguely remember that. Olympia, I remember the theme music but not the actors, it was so long ago. I remember loving that movie in Jr. High. I'd like to see it again, as I recall so little except being taken with the music. Do you know the music? I know you are a huge music and movie buff!
Yes, and the music was Maurice Jarre, as was the music for David Lean's other big films, Dr. Zhivago and Lawrence of Arabia. Of the three sound tracks, Ryan's Daughter was the least memorable to me, but he's always attractive. I remember the actual movie as sumptuously pretty, including two of the leads, Sarah Miles and Christopher Jones, but the love story didn't reach the immortal heights of Zhivago, and the political elements weren't as compellingly depicted as they had been in either Zhivago or Lawrence, where you were aware at all times that the fate of nations hung in the balance. It might be worth seeing again, though; maybe I am forgetting its high points.
I'm glad to hear that Katie Holmes did well as Jackie. I have generally found her a bit insipid--for instance she was way too young as the DA in Batman Begins (not entirely her fault that the filmmakers cast someone too young). I also remember she showed up on one of the dance competition shows lip-synching to her pre-recorded rendition of "Come On, Get Happy," and all I could think of was how pale a copy of Judy Garland she was. If you are, to put it charitably, "aspiring," you don't make your first TV appearance singing a song so iconically associated with one of the voices of the century--unless you're competing on American Idol, of course, where it's excused.
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Sarah Miles, there it is. I think it was a beautiful love story. David Lean, the names are there only when someone jogs my memory. I remember thinking Sarah beautiful. It seemed a nice little movie, how could one compare anything to Dr. Zhivago? Julie Christy and Omar Sharif were unforgettable. Such a wonderful film. Believe it or not, I have not seen Lawrence of Arabia. I have missed much.
I am thinking of going to see The Moscow Festival Ballet as so little ballet comes here now. "Cinderella" doesn't thrill me though,as it is clearly geared to children, and the music I am assuming will be canned as tix prices don't reflect a live orchestra. The music will be by Prokofiev, but it does not say what piece.
Olympia, what piece do you think would be used? I know a lot of ballet music, but my classical music education is lacking. I missed out on so much performing art due to my condition, and now this area is depressed. We don't get what we used to performing arts wise like 20 years ago, plus. We have two or three decent venues but the bookings just don't happen. I envy those in big cities, though the tix prices to everything are through the roof. I always wanted to live in NY or go back to live in London as there is just everything to see, just money is needed, LOL. I wish there were more quality film makers willing to risk it, find backing for great dance movies. I was glad they did Black Swan, but not happy with their casting of Portman. I think the last great dance movie was Centre Stage with then baby Ilia Kulik in minor role.
Today, Dirty Dancing was on and I watched again. Loved Patrick Swayze back in the day!
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I'm not a fan of Katie Holmes (or for that matter Jackie Kennedy) but she made the character much more enjoyable than I normally find Jackie O to be in interviews and what not.
Ah, it seems I have found Prokofiev wrote the ballet music for "Cinderella." I have been trying to listen to more than 30 seconds without much success. I found a classical radio station with tracks, but my speakers on this new Asus are very poor. I would like to find a site where I can listen to the ballet music uninterrupted. Do such places exist Olympia, or do they expect one to click buy after 30 seconds. I will decide to go if I like the music, which sadly will not be live orchestra. The company has great reviews and though I have never heard of this ballet-it doesn't seem a popular warhorse by American companies, anyway. I'll keep looking.
Sorry I was so slow to answer, Skateluvr. Yes, Prokofiev wrote a beautiful Cinderella, and the waltz is wonderfully haunting. Let me hunt up that part for you on YouTube....please stand by...
Here it is:
It's amazing because it's in a minor key, not jolly and fluffy at all.
Sorry to double-post, but I wanted to get the YouTube extract out to you while I worked on this part of the post. Cinderella has been a popular ballet here and there. I believe the great British choreographer, Frederick Ashton, created a version that's still used over there (and sometimes here). If I recall correctly, in Ashton's version at least, the two stepsisters are played by male "character dancers."
Drat that recording! It ends just before the midnight section. Here's that part, and I think you'll find it very powerful. You can imagine all sorts of amazing choreography to it.
Come to that, why hasn't a skater used this music anytime recently?
Here seems to be the ENTIRE ballet, a Nureyev version from Paris.
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