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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Plan was to try it at JGPF and Nationals but he suffered a slight injury to his ankle and so he didn't. I think he will probably try it in the FS here.
    I hope he does try it. He has to get it out there sometime.

    I hope Jason can move up to medal. I really enjoy his skating.

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    Videos Thus Far - Men's Short Program

    9. Timothy Dolensky (USA)

    10. Shoma Uno (JPN)

    14. Ryuju Hino (JPN)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    I'd say Brown is still a contention for a podium if brown skates well
    those 3 all in line skaters after the other, a meltdown could happen

    I really like Brown compared to Farris, who imo has the skills but lacks charisma
    This is Han Yan's to lose in FS and if Farris has a meltdown like most of the time, Brown might sneak in.
    Farris won both his Grand Prix events and made the podium at the GPF. He had a terrible nationals, but overall...he's pretty reliable. Plus he has a triple axel, decent style and paints a relatively masculine picture on the ice ala Evan. Brown is a showman! He's not as dramatic as Weir but is just as interesting to watch. I really enjoyed Brown's FP at Nationals even with the falls. It will be interesting to see who the USFSA backs in the end. I think Denis Ten is the best skater here. I've been a long time fan and he's about due for a win. If he skates clean with his triple axel and quad, he should win.

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    Yan will definitely go for 4t as he has all season. Ten and Farris have 4t but idk if either/both are planning to attempt it here. Brown has no 3a or 4t, but has a backloaded program. Jason is still definitely capable of medaling, he just has a smaller margin of error, especially because he's already chasing the others. I actually really like Farris's style and don't find him lacking charisma like some others. I think he is as strong as Brown artistically, just in a different way. The same is true of Han Yan. If the top 3 skate their best it's hard to say who would come out on top, they are very evenly matched and all great talents IMO.

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    Jason is going to have to try landing a triple axel soon in competition. Even if he falls he needs to see if he can do one that's the only way he will ever find out..

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    He knows that, and said to Phil Hersch that he absolutely had to have one next season in a recent article.

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    I found these videos so far for men, from the same account as pairs.

    Warm-Up Group 1


    1 Daniel Albert NAURITS EST
    2 Marcus BJÖRK SWE
    3 Chih-I TSAO TPE
    4 Carlo RÖTHLISBERGER SUI
    5 Kamil DYMOWSKI POL
    6 Pavel IGNATENKO BLR

    Warm-Up Group 2

    7 Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI
    8 Yakov GODOROZHA UKR
    9 Nam NGUYEN CAN
    10 Slavik HAYRAPETYAN ARM
    11 Matthias VERSLUIS FIN
    12 Harry MATTICK GBR

    Warm-Up Group 3

    13 Luiz MANELLA BRA
    14 Brendan KERRY AUS
    15 Maurizio ZANDRON ITA
    16 Shoma UNO JPN
    17 Timothy DOLENSKY USA
    18 June Hyoung LEE KOR

    Warm-Up Group 4

    19 Liam FIRUS CAN
    20 Petr COUFAL CZE
    21 Denis TEN KAZ
    22 Martin RAPPE GER
    23 He ZHANG CHN
    24 Jason BROWN USA

    Warm-Up Group 5

    25 Joshua FARRIS USA
    26 Han YAN CHN
    27 Artur DMITRIEV RUS
    28 Zhan BUSH RUS
    29 Keiji TANAKA JPN
    30 Ryuju HINO JPN

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    Videos - Men's Short Program (Updated - Top 15)

    1. Joshua FARRIS (USA)

    2. Han YAN (CHN)

    3. Denis TEN (KAZ)

    4. Jason BROWN (USA)

    5. Zhan BUSH (RUS)

    6. He ZHANG (CHN)

    7. Liam FIRUS (CAN)

    8. Artur DMITRIEV (RUS)

    9. Timothy DOLENSKY (USA)

    10. Shoma UNO (JPN)

    11. Keiji TANAKA (JPN)

    12. Martin RAPPE (GER)

    13. Petr COUFAL (CZE)

    14. Ryuju HINO (JPN)

    15. June Hyoung LEE (KOR)

    As Phil Hersh points out here, had Jason Brown done a triple axel instead of a double, the additional 5.2 base value would have had him practically level with Joshua Farris! However, looks like it won't be too long before Jason starts to address the issue of the triple axel as he told Hersh that: "For sure, I can't go another season without it"
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    About Jason putting out the 3-axel -- he has been practicing the jump. I hope he will put it out when he and his coach feel he is consistent enough to be successful. If not this season, then next season is soon enough IMO. He is after all, only 17 years old. IMO, I don't think it is at all healthy for still maturing young skaters to go gung ho with trying to land quads, and putting too much pressure on themselves physically and psychologically in training 3-axel either or putting it out when the skater is not ready. So what if it takes a skater like Brown more time to land the 3-axel (Chan was not quite ready at ages 16 and 17 either but felt pressure to put out the 3-axel and he has had consistency and technique problems with it). At this point, I would wait until next season, unless Jason and his coach feel it is worth it to try the 3-axel in the fs at Jr. Worlds to be more competitive (as long as the injury to his ankle is healed).

    I also think that Jason, Joshua and Denis have better execution and presentation skills than Han Yan, although Yan is quite talented too (he doesn’t interpret the music well).

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    If Jason is the one to win, I hope he goes for a 3A and lands it.
    I dont mind if he steps out or 2-foot, does not have to land it perfectly, but at least he goes for it.

    He needs to try 3As while competing at Junior cricuit. Or he may have hard time adjusting to the technical level when comes up at Senior; a la Adam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art&Sport View Post
    About Jason putting out the 3-axel -- he has been practicing the jump. I hope he will put it out when he and his coach feel he is consistent enough to be successful. If not this season, then next season is soon enough IMO. He is after all, only 17 years old. IMO, I don't think it is at all healthy for still maturing young skaters to go gung ho with trying to land quads, and putting too much pressure on themselves physically and psychologically in training 3-axel either or putting it out when the skater is not ready. So what if it takes a skater like Brown more time to land the 3-axel (Chan was not quite ready at ages 16 and 17 either but felt pressure to put out the 3-axel and he has had consistency and technique problems with it). At this point, I would wait until next season, unless Jason and his coach feel it is worth it to try the 3-axel in the fs at Jr. Worlds to be more competitive (as long as the injury to his ankle is healed).

    I also think that Jason, Joshua and Denis have better execution and presentation skills than Han Yan, although Yan is quite talented too (he doesn’t interpret the music well).
    Good points. I think Jason will do 3a when he is ready. For right now, he is doing very well without it, and against a steep field too! As for Yan, he is impressive but I think he is just a very different type of skater from the likes of Farris, Ten and Brown, who are all very elegant. The skating of Ten and Farris could even be described as ethereal. Jason is dynamic but still manages to be artistic. Yan is a more athletic type of skater. His components are so high likely because of his speed and attack. I agree his musicality could be improved, and his lines also need work (his arms are often bent and a bit flail-y). But his huge jumps and the speed he generates cannot be ignored and give his skating a bold, impressive quality, so I understand the marks. He is very strong in the footwork as well. For some reason, he reminds me of Takahashi. Hopefully that means he has a bright future ahead of him.

    Now that videos are out I must say I'm really impressed with the 3 Americans. The future of US men's figure skating is in good hands. Joshua and Jason are just incredible and I really enjoyed that program from Dolensky and think he could have a bright future if he can get a 3a.

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    Oh, and I hope Shoma will make the top10!

    Now a podium finish seemd unlikely for Japanese boys, I hope they will regroup in the Free, and each boy will have a good performance that he feels satisfied with and be proud of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee1 View Post
    Oh, and I hope Shoma will make the top10!

    Now a podium finish seemd unlikely for Japanese boys, I hope they will regroup in the Free, and each boy will have a good performance that he feels satisfied with and be proud of.
    Shoma is the cutest thing I have ever seen. He looks even smaller than Nathan Chen and he is soo spirited in his performance! Super fun to watch. I assume he is 13?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Shoma is the cutest thing I have ever seen. He looks even smaller than Nathan Chen and he is soo spirited in his performance! Super fun to watch. I assume he is 13?
    He turned 14yo last December. He is cute, isn't he?

    I love his speed; like a small fireball! I also like his performance ability.
    He reminds me a lot of young Daisuke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Good points. I think Jason will do 3a when he is ready. For right now, he is doing very well without it, and against a steep field too! As for Yan, he is impressive but I think he is just a very different type of skater from the likes of Farris, Ten and Brown, who are all very elegant. The skating of Ten and Farris could even be described as ethereal. Jason is dynamic but still manages to be artistic. Yan is a more athletic type of skater. His components are so high likely because of his speed and attack. I agree his musicality could be improved, and his lines also need work (his arms are often bent and a bit flail-y). But his huge jumps and the speed he generates cannot be ignored and give his skating a bold, impressive quality, so I understand the marks. He is very strong in the footwork as well. For some reason, he reminds me of Takahashi. Hopefully that means he has a bright future ahead of him.

    Now that videos are out I must say I'm really impressed with the 3 Americans. The future of US men's figure skating is in good hands. Joshua and Jason are just incredible and I really enjoyed that program from Dolensky and think he could have a bright future if he can get a 3a.
    Your points are very well taken too! Yes, definitely Yan is a more athletic skater with much potential to develop his artistic side -- I agree. He will have to improve A LOT artistically to be equated with Takahashi, and Dai did not develop that side until a year or so after turning senior. Even then, Dai Taka has continued to push the envelope artistically and choreographically. I think Dai and Jeremy are best overall at their best, even tho' the judges give more cred to Chan with his speed and blades, despite the fact Chan is really not the best at interpreting the music.

    Jason is definitely dynamic, charismatic and he beautifully interprets the music. He's amazing.

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