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    That was my recent impression. I can see why. Carrie doesn't just have a voice, she has a stage presence, and of course she's very glamorous. I happened to watch the entire season the year she was on, and you could just watch her growing into the role as a star.

    Interesting that though probably more men than women have won at this point, the female winners (and even some non-winners) have by and large been more successful. Though Fantasia Barrino has faltered lately (largely due to her personal problems, I think--she seems to be going through an Oksana Baiul-type struggle, though like Oksana, she's got talent to burn), she did have a role in a Broadway show, not to mention her own movie and two albums. Carrie and Kelly of course have sold the greatest number of records. Jordin Sparks, a charming singer, has been on Broadway, sung the National Anthem at several prominent sports events, and appeared in magazines. And now runner-up Katharine McPhee is a featured actress in Smash, while Taylor Hicks, the winner of her year, seems to have vanished. Then there's Jennifer Hudson, probably the most successful seventh-place finisher in any competition in history. I have a theory about this. I think that currently, female pop artists tend to succeed as individual singers, while male singers tend to have more success as part of a group or a band. (Interestingly, one of the most profitable male Idol contestants ever is Chris Daughtry, who is the lead singer of his band.) Clay Aiken is the one male Idol contestant I can think of who has made it really big, though certainly several of the others have achieved moderate success.

    But remember, my specialty is classical music, and in addition I haven't watched all the seasons of Idol. My theory could be full of holes. Please feel free to contradict me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Clay Aiken is the one male Idol contestant I can think of who has made it really big
    I, like Olympia, may need to be updated but I don't think that Clay has made it big at all. Right now he's on Celebrity Apprentice. In some ways Clay reminds me of Johnny Weir with the shock value they try to instill.

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    Clay's sales tanked after his debut album... which was horrible. It didn't help that he alienated a lot of folks with the whole "homosexuality scandal" he went on shows right after Idol saying he wasn't gay and people who thought he was were [favorite insult here]... then he's found out that he is gay (he used male escorts) and now all the "gay bashers" were [ use favorite insult here ] his love songs album SUCKED WIND and then he went on broadway in Spamalot... I stopped following him after his coming out and his ungraciousness to the world. He pulled a Rosie O'Donnell and was an angry outted person for some reason. It was a turn off. I don't know if his broadway deal was good... though I seem to recall good reviews for his debut.

    Clay was way more personable on Idol than he was after the show. I don't see him as a Johnny Weir - that'd be Adam Lambert - but maybe a Rudy Galindo?

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    One thing I do know for sure about Clay is...he has really bad hair!!!

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    I see I'm behind the times about Clay. So he turns out not to be the exception to my premise that it's easier for individual female singers to do well than it is for individual male singers to do well--right now, at any rate, and in the U.S. specifically. I have no way of knowing what the ratio is in Japan or the Philippines, for example, or Scandinavia.

    Of course there are solo guys in country music, but so far none of the Idol guys have blasted past people like Keith Urban or Tim McGraw, right?

    Of course, now I'm thinking of people like Springsteen and Willie Nelson who are huge as solo singers (well, they have bands), but they're true giants and have been around forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Of course there are solo guys in country music, but so far none of the Idol guys have blasted past people like Keith Urban or Tim McGraw, right?
    Last year's Idol winner has done a very good job at getting on the charts. So in theory he could be right up there with Keith, Tim and Brad...

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    Well, 50 million people according to the ads throughout The Smash episode I watched were watching "The Voice" so i have no idea how people have done-this is their second season? I know Frenchie was on last year and assume she did not make it. It does seem like we may see the next big "competition star for "the Voice" and not Idol. I think these formulaic shows though seldom produce the kind of artist I want to see. Taylor Swift is generic, pretty girl country. She made it without Idol, but Carrie Underwood is like so many country singers, pretty, big voice, good packaging. I don't think you would ever see The Judds make it on one of these shows, nor a Willie Nelson. If we are talking about marketable country stars which seems to be where the money is at and the popularity of the genre seems to exceed other popular music.

    I am glad a few originals like Susan Boyle and jackie Evancho got their breaks on these singing shows. I can't help but think Barbara Streisand would be told to fix her nose. To think Jennifer Hudson was nearly lost to 7th place. It was a miracle she was just right for "Dreamgirls." Otherwise, would she be where Fantasia Barrino is Jordan Sparks, who I don't see as unique enough. Lady Gaga was someone I instantly hated. Then I finally saw she could sing, she could write, she could play the piano, and did have talent. She is far too whacky to get on one of these shows for mainstream America.

    As for Clay Aiken, in another time, his voice would have been enough. But he is not likeable and seems odd in many ways. I personally laugh that J.Lo a "talent" at self promotion like so many women "artists" out there sits next to one of the great Rockers of our time, a musician, a composer, an amazing voice who fronted Aerosmith. I guess it is a nod to where music once was and where it is now that Paula Abdul and J.Lo and Simon Cowell could make or break so many people. Randy as a studio musician and Tyler at least have an ear for music. J. Lo understands autotune.

    What was thu kid's name who won last year on Idol, Oh yeah, Scotty Mcreery. So one note, and he isn't in the same league as Keith Urban and Tim McGraw. I beiieve both write their own material. hHas Scotty shown any talent for this? I guess I need to check out Youtube to see what he has done on listen to soem cuts on Amazon before dissing him. I know we wouldn't have had the music of the 60's and 70's if shows like Idol and X Factor were trying to find the next star.

    One person who I thought was an incredible singer was Adam Lambert. It seems like he should be fronting a mega successful band, but these are not the days of great bands eating up the charts either.
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    I agree about Lambert. I missed his year, but later on I found on YouTube a rendition he had done of a beautiful tune from the musical Brigadoon. The guy has a gorgeous voice. I think he doesn't want to go in that direction; he wants to be more the outrageous type, like Johnny Weir and Lady Gaga. Where he wants to go, I can't follow him. But he's got the gift, far more so than a rather limited singer (though a glamorous woman and a good self-marketer) like Jennifer Lopez.

    I'm chuckling at the thought of Willie Nelson (in his younger days) competing on Idol. Can you imagine someone with his unique style being forced to sing on, say, Eighties Night? He'd be out on his ear, with Simon Cowell giving him a withering send-off. ("You're way too cabaret to make a success of it in this business." Or..."We've never sold anyone like you, so we couldn't possibly sell you.") I can almost guarantee that they would have sent home a man who's practically the Voice of America.

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    LOL, exactly Olympia. Would the plus size Aretha have a contract post MTV? Not likely. I think of the mega talented mega stars "The Dixie Chicks." Where do duos and trios fit it these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    LOL, exactly Olympia. Would the plus size Aretha have a contract post MTV? Not likely. I think of the mega talented mega stars "The Dixie Chicks." Where do duos and trios fit it these days?
    Country music has quite a few of them... and they're really good... boy bands killed it for pop IMO...

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    Yes, country is the go to genre for many singers. It matters that you can stand there and sing without a cirque-du-soleil production (i miss Surya Bonaly-I think of her when I see Cirque stuff). I really have always hated rap-wish I were younger-I had a decent voice and gift for poetry-I think I could do it-but it seems a black male genre. Hip hop is sometimes appealing like reggae, but I own no Cds. Older folks are not into buying new music in general, LOL. So, for what's on popular radio, I honestly don't know. I do know there are some good voices with their own stuff. Seems Adele hits everyone's heart chord, so to speak. I do lover her, though everyone's covers fall short.

    I saw some thin blond girl with a unique voice passing by Idol tonight-no clue as to her name-was trying to charge puter. Decision time coming as to buy something else. Too many issues. Well, I will look at Youtube-who do you guys think is really good on Idol this year? I just want to see the best. I did catch Haley Reinhart-sexy, stunning, but no go for the music for me. Toni, the boy bands all were catchy, mrketable, not too shabby, but too young for my taste. It seems that only country has rom for duos and trios and I wonder where my beloved Dixie chicks have gone?

    I hope the younger posters will tell us if anyone good is happening who is not getting airplay. I listen to Pandora Radio sometimes. I get overwhelmed by internet radio choices. I don't drive anymore, so i don't control the radio. Funny, sometimes one of the pop tarts as I call them does a song that catches me. i love Katy Perry 'firework" i like Pink, sometimes Rhianna or Beyonce, even a Gaga tune or whoever sang Bullettproof (thank you Yuna for showing me!) I know there must be a great radio station that showcases acoustic artists that remind me of all the great 60's and 70's music. It takes time to look. Idol is generally disappointing. I wish they would look for singer/songwriter/musician's and showcase their work instead of the "let's all do Stevie and Whitney" this week. Or 80's Really Only Lambert could sing anything. The Voice is about the unique or power house voice. Idol should be about finding an Adele type talent, who plays the piano. I want original. How is the Colton kid? I saw a little of him a ways back and liked what he was doing.

    The last CD I bought was Jackie Evancho, so soothing. So Im an old fuddy duddy. The thing is, if I buy a CD, I have to really like 4 or 5 songs. if there is one break out single, I can't justify the money. I don't know how to use the older Ipod. Being tech challenged is so hard and scary. My puter was charging well, then tonight, not. So much to do before I turn it in. bronchitis slowed me down. It is hard when you are limited with help and every day brings more "life" (problems, LOL) I'd like an internet rado station that had oldies-60's 70's and also showcased new singer songwriters in single, broups, bands. Does such a thing exist?
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    I wonder where my beloved Dixie chicks have gone
    they went off the deepend when the lead singer decided to go all anti Bush and then attacked Toby Keith and proclaimed him a Bush lover (he's not) and a war monger. They also spoke out against the military one too many times. They kinda forgot their target audience was and is... well.. yeah... so their overtly political talk got in teh way of their music. Then their last album they made in into their political musical of sorts and I guess people stopped listening. Where as Toby was applauded for his musical response (which the message was basically shut up and coexist). They attacked the president, the troops and Toby... it was a trifecta of wrong and their comeback was a don't come back.

    I only listen to Modern Country and Contemporary Christian with a bit of Broadway, a lot of Disney, and instrumental thrown in... there are a few hit songs out there from other genres that I like (and I have a ton of oldies) but my iPod shows my biggest collections are Disney and Country lol



    try http://www.pandora.com their radio is simple. just plug in an artist or genre and they create a playlist. totally free! I love it! and if my mom (who's 68 and a techno-weenie) can figure it out anyone can!
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    I still love em for their guts-rare- and their talent will bring em back, I sure hope.

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    Oh, saw Idol last night-Elise did 'Whole Lotta Love"If she get thrown off before the very end-I will never watch again. She can sing everything. Even Tyler had the begrudging jealous look. Best female rock vocale ver. Up there with Lambert's talent.

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    I wasn't sorry to see Heejun go...it appeared he wasn't serious about the competition.

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