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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    I decided to sleep in this morning so I missed the Ladies.
    Congrats to Julia, Gracie and Adelina, looking forward to watching the videos.
    Sheesh what happened to Polina?
    a meltdown

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    I just saw Adelina's spin, that cost her a lot, got level 1 ? , her jumps were big
    but what happened to her spinning position , that position looked awkward and she went slow
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    I just saw Adelina's spin, that cost her a lot, got level 1 ? , her jumps were big
    but what happened to her spinning position , that position looked awkward and she went slow
    Yes - wonder what happened with her spins.

    Glad though that she has sorted out her jumps. That bodes well for the future. Hoefully, she will put it all together in the LP. Having seen the video now, I think she is starting to turn things around. Think she was a bit undermarked for her PCS

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    Thanks so much to the video uploaders, so that we could see the top 3 ladies. I hope more of these SP's show up soon.

    As you all know, ladies is my least favorite discipline, I know least about it, so take my comments with a grain of salt.

    Julia was clearly the best, despite the fact that I detest hyper-flexibility in skating. And her music was nice. The camera angle appears to make all 3 skaters look slower than I remember them. Well deserved in first by a lot.

    Gracie: I hate this music. She looks careful, rather than full on in attack, as at US Nationals. The 3F3T was a little off from Gracie's usual best- usually the 3T is as big as the 3F and the axis in the air is perfect. This time not. Good on her for coming back from a bad practice this AM and losing her skates in her luggage, then getting them back! BTW, looking at the protocols, Gracie got level 4 on all her spins (something she did not do at Nationals). Level 3 on the step, and the highest base level of the event. Despite this being dreadful, dreadful music, Gracie does a pretty good job of moving in time to this music, and doing something decisive with her arms at all those awful swoosh noices in it.

    Adelina: I hate this music, too, and frankly, her execution of her spins and jumps did not impress me. In fact, I just watched it again, and the spins are dreadful. All 3 of them. And there is a 2 foot or close to 2t on the second 3t. And I hate the red tights. Perhaps the music and tights are over influencing my opinion, but I think she is lucky to be this close to Gracie. Maybe ordinarily she is an artistic performer, but she wasn't hitting the tricks on the rhythm, and the steps, which usually she does very well were just not on. In fact, I think she should be closer to Satoko and Christine than to Gracie from this particular performance.

    Base levels:
    Gracie 31.2 (3F3t, no UR's, no edge call, level 3 step)
    Julia 30.0 (Vs Gracie did 3t3t rather than 3f3t, no URs, no edge calls, level 3 step)
    Satoko Miyahara 29.6 (lip, highly underrotated on the 3t after the 3F)
    Christine Gao 29.0 (3t3t, level 1 on one spin, and flutz)
    Hae-Jin Kim 28.9 (3t3t,level 2 step, level 3 spin, problems with her lutz)
    Adelina 28.1 (3t3t, level 3 and level 1 on two spins)
    Zijun Li 27.2 (3t2t, and a flutz)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    Had her spins been better though, that would have taken her ahead of Gracie. She lost quite a lot on them and that was the difference. Another factor is that her favoured combination is a 3Zx3R, which she was not able to use here due to the rules this year in juniors (i.e. that the Lutz has to be the single jump). Hence, she had to deploy a 3Tx3T which has a lower base value than Gracie's combination. She lost 1.40 points on that just by itself. Combined, had she been able to use her preferred combination and had she done better with her spins, she would have come away with a score in the lower 60's.

    Also, looking at the video of Adelina's performance, I actually think she was undermarked. What were the Judges looking at?? As you say, the only problem element was the spins and her PCS should have been a lot higher! Had she got the better PCS that she deserved, the taking the above factors into account, she would be neck and neck with Julia.
    I wasn't that bad except for the spins, but maybe the judges thought she had a not so good season
    still I am happy Adelina is in top 3, she will always be my sentimental favorite

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    I watched Adelina's SP and it wasn't nearly as bad as her score would have you think. Her jumps looked solid, she had good speed across the ice (IMO) and she performed the program. The flying sit spin wasn't great and she had a bit of a hook-in problem on her final spin, but she still held the ending position long enough to get the extra level. Overall, I thought she did pretty well.

    I think Julia is a wonderful talent but I really hope she finds a better choreographer. We get it, okay? You're very flexible, you don't have to pull your leg over your head every time you turn a corner. She lifts her leg 4 times in the first 30 seconds of the program. Flexibility feature are great, but overuse makes them annoying. I can't get too excited about Julia yet b/c she has a lot of growing left to do and she could end up being a very different skater in the next two years once her height and weight change and the pressure starts to stack up. For now though, I do enjoy her consistency and flexibility (in decent doses) and I think she'll win this competition pretty easily unless she has a meltdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsk8fan
    I am also not a fan of the gumby poses Julia does. I like flexability, but maybe more tastefully done. Also, it looked like Julia clearly flutzed, and yet no "e" call.
    Agreed on both parts... I'm actually not even that much of a fan of flexibility itself, just if it's used for beautiful positions. And Julias are kind of hasty and randomly thrown out there. I'm definitly wishing her choreographers wouldn't overdo it like that, too.

    Loved Adelina though. Such a joy to watch her, and I'm mainly happy her jumps were there again.
    Her Lutz looked okay, it wasn't her "usual" flutz, right?

    And really good to see Gracie doing so well, she's not quite there yet, but I actually enjoy watching her skate already.

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    Here are Phil Hersh's comments on Gracie's performance

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    To be fair, this is hardly Gracie's best performance ever. She was definitely tight on her jumps and she did not get the +GOE she has been getting in other competition. And in the Hersh article she notes that.

    Also she got an early draw. She did not get such a draw at JGP, so I wouldn't be surprise if that score would had been closer to 60 had she skated later.

    I think given all the circumstances — she did what she had to do and stayed focused. And to me, that's bodes well for her as she enters the senior ranks. The artistry stuff can be developed later; I think she is smart to focus on what she CAN do rather than obsess over what she doesn't.

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    Gracie's short program is so choppy, bland and labored. Choreography is virtually non-existent and the music is terrible. It's probably not her fault but this program doesn't work at all and with this kind of program she as a skater isn't going to establish a personal style. Gracie also seems slow today. Christina Gao should've outscored Gracie more on PCS.

    Among the videos I've seen I actually really liked Ziquan Zhao. I've never seen her short program before and it was a decent surprise. Satoko Miyahara looks like a mini Akiko. Cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Julia is a kid and kids are often more consistent and less nervous than athletes / people in their late teens + adults. There are actual scientific studies that examined the physiological/neuropsychological changes during competition in tennis players, young adolescents (till 14 /15 years) and adults. The results clearly showed that most of the kids have none of the extreme reactions to the competitive stress adults tend to have. Puberty is not all about the different body, it's about self-doubt, intrinsic stress, over-thinking. Maybe that's the real puberty monster.
    ITA....

    I also agree with silverlake on Adelina.

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    It is too bad about Sotnikova. She looked pretty good except for the spins. Spins are usually the least that a skater should worry about so she will hopefully get them under control soon. I've said this before already but I think she should definitely get rid of the lutz-loop combo. I think it hurts her confidence often because she often messes it up. And when you mess up your first jump, it is hard to have an amazing program after that. Considering that no one really does difficult combos today on the senior level, why just not do what Lipnitskaya does? 3T-3T. Or if that's too low, 3S-3T should not be too difficult for a girl who tries 3L-3Lz. I don't like this tactic of a horribly difficult jump that only makes it worse for Sotnikova. Maybe I'm wrong? Don't know.

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    Just added some additional videos to post 107 above. Now have the Top 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DianaSelene View Post
    It is too bad about Sotnikova. She looked pretty good except for the spins. Spins are usually the least that a skater should worry about so she will hopefully get them under control soon. I've said this before already but I think she should definitely get rid of the lutz-loop combo. I think it hurts her confidence often because she often messes it up. And when you mess up your first jump, it is hard to have an amazing program after that. Considering that no one really does difficult combos today on the senior level, why just not do what Lipnitskaya does? 3T-3T. Or if that's too low, 3S-3T should not be too difficult for a girl who tries 3L-3Lz. I don't like this tactic of a horribly difficult jump that only makes it worse for Sotnikova. Maybe I'm wrong? Don't know.
    she did 3T-3T not 3Lz-3lo because in junior SP a Lutz combo is not allowed
    I saw some videos before worlds she was practicing in a video clip 3F-3T and landed it cleanly but I guess she wasn't ready
    but I agree with you, if you mess up your first jump it will damage your confidence in the whole remaining period you skate
    as of the current, she has tried 3LZ-3Lo all season in her programs and has a success rate of around 60-65 %

    I do not care if Adelina wins. I just want her confidence back
    because I still believe out of all the current junior ladies, she has the most talent and an all around skater when she fully matures
    she just needs to get it together. I am hoping she will pass this rough time in the coming seasons by then her growth spurt should stop already and hopefully her confidence picks up.
    Last edited by sky_fly20; 03-02-2012 at 12:43 PM.

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