Does anyone have video of the top three? It sounds like they all did great and I am anxious to see. With Farris and Brown the future of US mens looks great.
all the analysis about jason lacking 3axel costing him the title is pretty irrational, we could've said the same thing about joshua or even yan if he didn't win, e.g. oh that lack of 4toe / 3axel in combination has cost him the title/2axel-2toe-2toe would've changed everything.....after all this is a competition, it's not about what one should've done or even what he's capable of, it's about what one actually did on the rink.
Last edited by tampro1; 03-03-2012 at 11:20 AM.
Yan will be 16 in 3 days, and the JWC title is definitely the best birthday gift to him.
Originally Posted by someoneelse
So he will be eligible to compete at seniors next season, and I am very looking forward to that.
Can't wait for that
Originally Posted by yousunny
I love Jason but I'm more excited about Farris at this point. He can jump well, spin well, has strong footwork, his 3a technique is good, he has 4t in practice (even tried it in competition at nats), shows good musicality, elegance, and sensitivity for the music, and he is very handsome. If Jason can get a 3a/4t/both then he might very well surpass Farris, but for right now, Farris is showing real promise and I definitely think he is capable of making a splash on senior ranks with his current set of skills. Jason is stronger than Joshua in a few aspects, but Joshua is really a complete package and I think that will serve him well. Of the current top senior men in the US, several of them have certain things they can do better than Josh, but Abbott is really the only one who is that solid across the board. If Joshua could end up like Jeremy I'd be very pleased .
Regardless to say, Jason is a huge talent. And I do think he will get a 3a. And he could be someone like Chan who, once he gets the big tricks down solid, blows the rest of the field away. But for right now, I just hope he works on 3a, tries it at his next competition, and keeps developing the rest of his wonderful skating.
Han Yan is also extremely impressive for one that is not yet 16. Between him and Song, China looks to be having a resurgence in singles.
It's obviously possible to speculate about every subject under the Sun. However, the whole point of going into a forum like this is to discuss, debate, analyse, and assess the 'what if's'. What would be the point of debate forum like this, without that? The fact that Brown does not have a triple axel is highly relevant in terms of why he lost this competition, and acquiring one is key to his future development.
Originally Posted by tampro1
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Congratulations to all the medallists!
Jason has 2 more years of junior eligibility, and from the Hersh article, he knows he isn't ever going to Senior Worlds from the US without a 3A (or, probably, a 4T). But wanting is not always getting. I so want him to get his big jumps because I want to be able to continue to watch him skate-something that won't happen if he hits seniors without at least either a 4t or a 3A.
I would like to point out another strength of Jason's-he just skated his SP & LP perfectly. Granted, it is significantly easier to skate 2perfect programs if you are not doing a 3A or 4T, but not every skater can maintain the control and concentration to do it, no matter what skills they have. Sasha Cohen for example, found it an impossible task.
And I hope Jason works equally on the 4T--There are a number of skaters who found the 4T easier to learn than the 3A, including Petr Barna, Patrick Chan, and AFAIR Kurt Browning. It may be so for Jason as well.
And I still think he should spend the summer working with Ouriashev in Chicago.
Isnt he also eligible to compete at senior worlds this year?
Originally Posted by Gliding on ice
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Yes, Han Yan's goal is to transition seniors next season
Huge Scott Moir Fan
Also, the top tier choreographers are going to put more work into choreographing a junior world champion's program than they are a no name skater's.
Originally Posted by SkateFiguring
just wanted to say congrats to the medalists and really how exciting this junior men's field seems to be! Can't wait to see videos!!!
About Jason...what Doris said
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someoneelse! Welcome to Golden Skate! We hope you post long and often!
The top choreographers don't do no names, which is why Chinese skaters need to make a name for themselves before going to the choreographers of the champions.
Originally Posted by Macassar88
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Depends on the choreographer. Some rather subpar Chinese dancers have gotten choreo from Linichuk over the years, for example. And Zoueva & Shpilband are actively asking for novice and junior dancers. Some coaches and choreographers like to work with the newer talents, some not so much. As to who gets the best choreo from Marina, last year's best FD, IMO, went to Chock & Zuerlein, not their top 2 teams. So as I say, depends on the choreographer.
Aldridge & Eaton, who were also-rans last year, got great programs from Pasquale Camerlengo for this season, which was prior to them appearing at Junior Worlds at all.
In singles, Philip Mills, Ashley Wagner's choreographer, works with younger skaters, AFAIR.
And while he is not a big name, Rohene Ward, who works with Jason Brown, IMO is fabulous.
And if the person is willing to pay the big bucks, some big choreographers will take them on (just check out who choreographs for whom on ISU bios).
So having done well at Junior Worlds last year (6th), Han Yan should have had no problem this season and should have even less this coming season in finding a good choreographer and getting the great programs he deserves out of them, providing he or his federation is willing to pay the price for that.
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