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    RESULT - MEN'S FREE SKATE

    1. Han YAN (CHN) - 222.45 (FS = 147.57 (TES: 76.37, PCS: 71.20))
    2. Joshua FARRIS (USA) - 221.97 (FS = 146.54 (TES: 75.34, PCS: 71.20))
    3. Jason BROWN (USA) - 214.90 (FS = 144.70 (TES: 72.70, PCS: 72.00))
    4. Denis TEN (KAZ) - 208.20 (FS = 134.42 (TES: 67.84, PCS: 67.58, DED: 1.00))
    5. Zhan BUSH (RUS) - 196.06 (FS = 130.85 (TES: 65.37, PCS: 66.48, DED: 1.00))
    6. He ZHANG (CHN) - 193.97 (FS = 129.34 (TES: 64.12, PCS: 65.22))
    7. Keiji TANAKA (JPN) - 189.86 (FS = 132.16 (TES: 71.02, PCS: 61.14))
    8. Liam FIRUS (CAN) - 189.06 (FS = 126.96 (TES: 66.98, PCS: 60.98, DED: 1.00))
    9. Ryuju HINO (JPN) - 181.34 (FS = 124.75 (TES: 70.83, PCS: 53.92))
    10. Shoma UNO (JPN) - 175.92 (FS = 118.21 (TES: 60.25, PCS: 57.96))
    11. Martin RAPPE (GER) - 171.38 (FS = 114.25 (TES: 61.11, PCS: 55.14, DED: 2.00))
    12. Timothy DOLENSKY (USA) - 169.94 (FS = 112.21 (TES: 54.85, PCS: 57.36))
    13. Nam NGUYEN (CAN) - 168.20 (FS = 117.07 (TES: 62.07, PCS: 55.00))
    14. Artur DMITRIEV (RUS) - 166.96 (FS = 107.60 (TES: 51.96, PCS: 57.64, DED: 2.00))
    15. Michael Christian MARTINEZ (PHI) - 165.10 (FS = 109.78 (TES: 59.36, PCS: 50.42))
    16. Luiz MANELLA (BRA) - 162.53 (FS = 107.46 (TES: 58.02, PCS: 50.44, DED: 1.00))
    17. Petr COUFAL (CZE) - 161.10 (FS = 104.36 (TES: 54.14, PCS: 51.22, DED: 1.00))
    18. June Hyoung LEE (KOR) - 158.93 (FS = 103.19 (TES: 50.33, PCS: 53.86, DED: 1.00))
    19. Harry MATTICK (GBR) - 146.78 (FS = 98.54 (TES: 49.74, PCS: 48.80))
    20. Maurizio ZANDRON (ITA) - 143.95 (FS = 93.16 (TES: 46.30, PCS: 46.86))
    21. Matthias VERSLUIS (FIN) - 143.20 (FS = 93.74 (TES: 46.92, PCS: 46.82))
    22. Brendan KERRY (AUS) - 131.40 (FS = 82.57 (TES: 41.79, PCS: 42.78, DED: 2.00))
    23. Chih-I TSAO (TPE) - 129.24 (FS = 80.06 (TES: 38.32, PCS: 41.74))
    24. Marcus BJÖRK (SWE) - 123.33 (FS = 76.50 (TES: 40.42, PCS: 40.08, DED: 4.00))

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    From the protocol, Brown really skated lights out with his program. Yan somehow goofed on the late but simple combo, winding up with 2A+1T<<+1Lo. Farris too had a bad combo, 3Lz+3T.

    Can't wait to see videos of these young phenoms.

    Happy for Nguyan for pulling himself up after a poor SP and for a very good 3A. Not bad for his first Junior Worlds at 13 and for dire predictions of his 3A prospect under McLeod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Han Yan and Joshua Farris are looking to have very promising senior careers. They both did really well!
    Yes they are amazing. And so is Jason Brown, coming so close to their scores with no 3a or quad. Josh has a 4t, and the good result here will maybe give him the confidence to try it in international competition next season. If he does...watch out. Same for Jason and 3a. If I were Rippon, Miner, Dornbush, or Mahbanoozadeh, I'd be worried about these two.

    And I really hope Song can perform like he did at his GPs at Worlds and make the top 10 because I'd love to see him and Han Yan both go to Worlds next year. All of a sudden China is looking to be a force in singles between Yan, Song, and Li!

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    The Junior medalists' scores are so high that with an additional jumping pass as in Seniors' LP, they are already podium worthy in the GP circuit.

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    I too am happy for Nam but that does not seem to change my concerns for him under Mcleod. The big problem I have with her is that often she whines about UR calls and/or low PCS scores with her students instead of acknowledging weaknesses and coming up with a plan to fix them.

    Nice to see him have the 3A now but the real test of his technique will come as he grows. The immediate problem for him now is the triple-triple combos. He more often than not gets the 3T of those combos downgraded.

    Glad Firus tried and rotated the 3A even if he fell. He ages out after this and needs that 3A to get that Skate Canada spot next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    The Junior medalists' scores are so high that with an additional jumping pass as in Seniors' LP, they are already podium worthy in the GP circuit.
    I know. And the additional element is actually a step sequence, but regardless, with the additional element, Yan and Farris would have likely scored enough to medal at this past 4CCs. And with the scores as is they would have been 9th and 10th at last year's Worlds. Puts things into perspective. The future has arrived. Also realized it's Yan's 16th birthday in a couple days, what a nice birthday present for him to win gold here!

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    Congrats to Han, Joshua and Jason! Sounds like it was quite a competition, great scores received
    by the top three.

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    Two 2A's from Jason. Had he deployed 3A's (i.e. 1 in the SP, and 2 in the Long), he could well have won this competition. He certainly would have run Han pretty close. I'm sorry, but Jason is going to need a 3A if he is going to be competitive from here on in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    I know. And the additional element is actually a step sequence, but regardless, with the additional element, Yan and Farris would have likely scored enough to medal at this past 4CCs. And with the scores as is they would have been 9th and 10th at last year's Worlds. Puts things into perspective. The future has arrived. Also realized it's Yan's 16th birthday in a couple days, what a nice birthday present for him to win gold here!
    I had written "element" first thinking of SS but decided to verify first and counted 7 jump passes, erroneously. Too much verification can be just another chances for mistakes! The first instinct is often best. Anyway, so that's another 2 points BV and a chance to up the PCS.

    I expected Yan to win gold. Best of the bunch, even with the silly mistake with the late 2A after which he managed to save the combo with single jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    Two 2A's from Jason. Had he deployed 3A's (i.e. 1 in the SP, and 2 in the Long), he could well have won this competition. He certainly would have run Han pretty close. I'm sorry, but Jason is going to need a 3A if he is going to be competitive from here on in.
    That's a lot of could haves and might haves with something he doesn't have, to catch an imperfect Yan. Going forward, the other top Men will not be twiddling their thumbs waiting for him to catch up. Brown has a big task ahead for Senior podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    That's a lot of could haves and might haves with something he doesn't have, to catch an imperfect Yan. Going forward, the other top Men will not be twiddling their thumbs waiting for him to catch up. Brown has a big task ahead for Senior podium.
    I don't think so. The difference between a triple and double axel is 5.20 in base value. Multiplied 3 times, and that amounts to 15.60. Jason finished 7.55 points behind Han. Accordingly, in my view, the lack of a triple axel has cost Jason the title. I've started a new thread in 'The Edge' part of the forum on the issue of Jason's triple axel.

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    Jason doesn't have a triple axel. 0x3=0.

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    Here is Phil Hersh's article on the outcome. As Phil points out, Brown won on PCS in the LP. Hence, it was the lack of triple axel that ultimately let Jason down.
    Last edited by Mao88; 03-03-2012 at 10:43 AM.

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    Maybe not only three triple axels, but also three quad toes. Remember, this is junior event. Yan already included a quad solo jump in his short program at Chinese winter games. As soon as his 3A or 4T combinations become consistent, he will definitely add a 3A combination or a 4T combination into his long program.

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    isn't Yan only like 15 or something? doesn't that mean he will still compete at junior level next season? will brown and farris compete at seniors next season?

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