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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    Yes, I can see that a lot hard work has been done, but I feel that instead they should have been concentrating on him getting the triple axel. After that they could have worked to get all the other stuff better.
    My understanding is that they have been working on the 3A as well. But I get the sense that some of the limitations (i.e. slight injury, growth spurt, boot issues) made it hard to focus on the 3A. I'm saying that I think it was smart that they worked on other stuff since clearly the starts weren't aligned for him to do a lot of work on the 3A.

    I think that now the season is over for him and those other issues seem to have been settled, I think he'll be able to focus more on it now.

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    Everyone keeps saying how Jason is young, but he really needs to get cracking on that 3a. By comparison, Farris was doing 3a in his competitive programs starting at age 14, and has been working on the 4t since he was 15, Han Yan just turned 15 and has been doing 3a and 4t all season, we saw Nam Nyguen successfully land 3a at JW and he is just 13. The standards are being raised, and with a jump like the 3a, it's expected it will take some time for a skater to get the jump really solid. Everything else Jason does is great, but he needs to be at least attempting 3a if he wants to remain competitive from here on in. It could take him a few years for it to become consistent in competition, and if he avoids trying it in competition, the jump will never materialize and he'll become the next Cassar or Dyer. Also as encouraging as his scores at junior worlds were, I honestly think in a senior competition D-10 would have been placed ahead of him (please don't bite my head of for saying this, i just really feel like he probably would have :shuffle:, and maybe with a bit of a margin even). Even if he's aiming for Pyeonchang, he's got to be getting that jump out in competition ASAP because who knows how long it will take to perfect to the point where he can rely on it at high-stakes events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Everyone keeps saying how Jason is young, but he really needs to get cracking on that 3a. By comparison, Farris was doing 3a in his competitive programs starting at age 14, and has been working on the 4t since he was 15, Han Yan just turned 15 and has been doing 3a and 4t all season, we saw Nam Nyguen successfully land 3a at JW and he is just 13. The standards are being raised, and with a jump like the 3a, it's expected it will take some time for a skater to get the jump really solid. Everything else Jason does is great, but he needs to be at least attempting 3a if he wants to remain competitive from here on in. It could take him a few years for it to become consistent in competition, and if he avoids trying it in competition, the jump will never materialize and he'll become the next Cassar or Dyer. Also as encouraging as his scores at junior worlds were, I honestly think in a senior competition D-10 would have been placed ahead of him (please don't bite my head of for saying this, i just really feel like he probably would have :shuffle:, and maybe with a bit of a margin even). Even if he's aiming for Pyeonchang, he's got to be getting that jump out in competition ASAP because who knows how long it will take to perfect to the point where he can rely on it at high-stakes events.
    Jason did attempt the jump last summer at the Glacier Falls comp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXUIONGou0Q#t=0m37s

    As you can see it was very two-footed (I can't tell if it's UR/DG).

    Unfortunately since it was a club competition, there are no protocols.

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    He got a DG for that attempt at Glacier Falls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    He got a DG for that attempt at Glacier Falls.
    Bummer. Well at least he tried. And hopefully he'll try again so he can respond properly to his critics.

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    Not sure if this video has been linked earlier. It shows JB's 3A practice and answers the questions about his height and how much he grew last year.

    A visit with figure skater Jason Brown

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Not sure if this video has been linked earlier. It shows JB's 3A practice and answers the questions about his height and how much he grew last year.

    A visit with figure skater Jason Brown
    I really sympathize with him. He seems to have worked so hard on 3a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Not sure if this video has been linked earlier. It shows JB's 3A practice and answers the questions about his height and how much he grew last year.

    A visit with figure skater Jason Brown
    Thanks for posting this. I was referring to this video in some of my posts, but couldn't track it down on the Chicago Tribune website.

    According to Phil Hersh's article from 2011 (http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/...eks-path-.html), he was 5'1" in 2010

    According to the video, he says he's 5'7 now. That's a lot of growth!

    Quote Originally Posted by skateflower View Post
    I really sympathize with him. He seems to have worked so hard on 3a.
    He seems to take it in stride. I'm sure in private he gets sick of the 3A questioning, but I think he accepts it and tries to not let it get to him.

    As Johnny Weir said during his SP at Nationals. "He's just cool."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Not sure if this video has been linked earlier. It shows JB's 3A practice and answers the questions about his height and how much he grew last year.

    A visit with figure skater Jason Brown
    Haha, Jason is a very cute kid. But, maybe strength is holding him back from mastering the 3a if he's actually just 130 pounds at 5'7", that's quite thin! From the videos, it looks like his upper body is not getting around quick enough to check out on the landing, so again, weight lifting/upper body strength training could maybe help with that, although I assume he will bulk up some naturally just as he continues to get older and mature. It certainly sounds like he is training/practicing the jump a whole lot though. At this point I wonder if it might be a smart idea to focus more on training a quad, it's clear the 3a does not come so naturally to him, so he might have more success with the quad due to it's taking off like a normal jump. Idk. Just a thought. Injury is just a concern where he keeps attempting and falling on the 3a.

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    This is all true. I hadn't heard that he had been working on a 4t yet, but his post LP interview sounded like he wanted to work on it this year (he cited Han Yan getting both the 3A and 4T in one year).

    And yes, I am a fan of working on upper body strength for jumpers, too. When a kid grows fast, quite often their muscles don't catch up for a while.

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    I was looking at pictures from JW and I really think strength training will help Jason, looking at pictures of him with the other two medalists, he looks very skinny. http://ffkm.ru/index.php/gallery1/21-jworlds12/115 In this picture you notice how strong and muscular Han Yan's legs are even though his frame is small and compact, Jason's legs are pretty strong and Joshua looks like the thin one because his legs appear so long and skinny and take up most of his body. BUT if you look at this picture http://ffkm.ru/index.php/gallery1/21-jworlds12/115 you realize Josh actually has the broadest shoulders of the bunch and Jason looks very thin/wiry in his upper body. So it makes sense to me, that physically, body types like Han or Josh would be better suited to jumping 3a and quads. Han Yan is just so strong and muscular in a compact package, and Josh is long and lean but with a bigger frame than someone like Jason as noticed by his broad shoulders which help him jump even though he does not appear particularly muscular otherwise. His legs appearing so thin might also just be because he is quite a bit taller than the other medalists, and has long legs for even his own height. Jason looks like he has a more compact body type like Han Yan, so he probably needs to focus on allover strength, upper and lower body, to help develop the harder jumps. Unless of course he is projected to grow a lot more in which case he may be able to just focus on upper body strength primarily. Idk. It was just something I thought of. Han Yan and Joshua Farris have very different body types and both can jump well, and Jason does look quite thin in those pictures.

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    Jason was named the top athlete at the training camp for up and coming skaters across the country over the summer, I believe it's called STAR Testing or something like that (back issues of Skating Magazine talked about it). He was the strongest pound for pound with great flexibility and agility (I think it tests for those three things with regard to figure skating especially). I am sure he has a great off ice regimen he's following if he was able to be named the top athlete there and is probably just behind in developing upper body strength in the same way he was later in growing than some other men. He reminds me of one of the other skaters in our area who finally shot up 6-8 inches at 17 or 18 years old and finally at 21-22 is putting on upper body muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Jason was named the top athlete at the training camp for up and coming skaters across the country over the summer, I believe it's called STAR Testing or something like that (back issues of Skating Magazine talked about it). He was the strongest pound for pound with great flexibility and agility (I think it tests for those three things with regard to figure skating especially). I am sure he has a great off ice regimen he's following if he was able to be named the top athlete there and is probably just behind in developing upper body strength in the same way he was later in growing than some other men. He reminds me of one of the other skaters in our area who finally shot up 6-8 inches at 17 or 18 years old and finally at 21-22 is putting on upper body muscle.
    I didn't know that, that is very impressive. You are probably right. Han Yan is very muscular and physically mature looking for a boy who just turned 16, that probably isn't the norm. As for Joshua, he has always been taller than Jason, they have competed against each other for many years, and even though he still looks to be around 2-3 inches taller, when they were younger, Josh actually used to tower over Jason for a few years there. And last season Josh looked very different, he hadn't filled out in his upper body yet and his legs looked too long for his body, he has matured a lot in the past year or so, you can even tell from his face, he looks much older. So Jason might just be a year or two behind and go through these changes maybe next year or the year after. Hopefully that is the case and when he does go through these changes, maybe it will help him with the 3a? I certainly hope so and it doesn't seem unreasonable.

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    Such an amazingly HAPPY kid. Geez.... though his interview was so consistent with what I know of his personality... saying he "got close" to just about everyone he came across at Junior Worlds. Such a cutie.

    I think big talent. He and Joshua remind me of Evan and Johnnie when they first hit the senior scene ~ Nationals in Boston, was it ?? 2001?
    Jason by the way is the next coming of "Johnny" and Joshua is the "Evan" in my analogy ... just in case you couldn't figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcd View Post
    Such an amazingly HAPPY kid. Geez.... though his interview was so consistent with what I know of his personality... saying he "got close" to just about everyone he came across at Junior Worlds. Such a cutie.

    I think big talent. He and Joshua remind me of Evan and Johnnie when they first hit the senior scene ~ Nationals in Boston, was it ?? 2001?
    Jason by the way is the next coming of "Johnny" and Joshua is the "Evan" in my analogy ... just in case you couldn't figure it out.
    I think his personality is what draws me to him as well. He has such a good attitude about things, especially the consent questioning about the 3A. It's amazing he can find such joy in everything; it's something everyone should strive for.

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